One thing I’ve noticed is that many people will accuse you of supporting genocide if you say anything positive about Israel (and by that I mean anything not explicitly negative), or fail to condemn anybody who has failed to condemn Israel, or if you don’t spit immediately after saying the word “Israel”. Same if you point out that the Biden administration in November was actively negotiating the ceasefire that went into effect a day or two after Trump’s inauguration, even as people were calling Harris a nazi and refusing to vote for her because she was “complicit”. It’s like people expect world politics and diplomacy to operate at the same speed as meme outrage.
According to a recent pen state uni poll, 80% of Israeli society support the forced removal of Palestinians from Gaza. If we follow the reasoning in this post, the Israeli society is kinda locco ◑﹏◐
Liberals just can’t get enough of that thought policing.
I only know her from claiming there will be no Russian invasion while it already had begun. Later, she is peddling Russian propaganda. Moron.
Thanks for letting me know. I’ve edited out her details so only the message is visible.
I dont oppose donald trump because im a democrat or a liberal.
I oppose donald trump because im not a fucking psychopath.
Opposing donald trump is so obvious, so common sense, such a bare-minimum, fundamental-level, being a human 101 position that if it isn’t immediately self-evident to you after learning the basic facts, your problem is, much, much deeper than whatever ideology or bias or prejudice you might happen to have. There’s something wrong with you as a person.
Even most of the conservative politicians in the US seemed to take this approach, until he started winning (read also: liberal politicians failed to counter his right-wing populism).
What is the point of this completely off topic non-sequitor?
It’s the same template as the original post. Parallels are being drawn between support for Trump and support for Israeli genocide.
I mean… I’ve been saying similar stuff for a while. I’m not on anyone’s side specifically. I live far enough away to not be affected by the situation and for my opinion to have no affect on the situation. Simply put: it’s not useful for me to have an opinion, so I don’t have one.
HOWEVER: I always have and always will oppose the unnecessary death and cruelty happening. Doesn’t matter where, or who, or when… If some group is killing another group, I don’t like that.
The only good reason to use violence on a global stage is to stop violence; aka self defense. Like what’s happening to the Ukraine, as a simple example. The Ukraine is well within their right to defend themselves and their land from a foreign invader. I am opposed to the Russian army marching across international borders and seizing land by killing whomever tries to stop them and/or whomever is there. Not cool. I dislike Russia’s actions there. I don’t dislike Russia’s or Russians, I don’t have a problem with any individual person. I have a problem with the decision that was made at the highest levels of government to invade.
Same thing here. I could not care less which side is comprised of what people’s of what culture or religion… I just don’t like that one group is invading/bombing/killing the other. I have no animosity towards those defending themselves, trying to not get killed…
I don’t know why everyone needs to make every opinion on the matter a question of race, religion, or whatever. I don’t care, just stop murdering eachother.
Note: It’s Ukraine, not “the Ukraine”.
Calling it “the Ukraine” is Russian propaganda.
https://theconversation.com/its-ukraine-not-the-ukraine-heres-why-178748
For some people it’s just habit. Ukraine has been commonly known in the West as “the” Ukraine for a very long time, and humans are known to make mistakes.
Nice work trying to make the genocide in Gaza be about Ukraine.
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NGL… Yuh
This astrology grifter is phony AF. She suddenly became political a few years ago by promoting the invasion of ukraine. Peak russian asset.
Notice the implied anti-semitism and missing zionism. It’s a pattern.
Please don’t promote this crap just because it sounds “good”. Free Palestine.
What antisemitism is being implied?
This astrology grifter is phony AF.
Ad hominem. Doesn’t invalidate the words above.
Notice the implied anti-semitism and missing zionism.
I noticed no implied anti-semitism. I noticed explicit criticism of the Israeli government.
Please don’t promote this crap just because it sounds “good”.
True. Promote it to highlight the genocide that is currently occurring.
Free Palestine.
Agreed, but I suspect yours isn’t genuine.
“She suddenly became political a few years ago by promoting the invasion of ukraine. Peak russian asset.”
Is it an ad hominem when you include the rest which explains the claim made you excerpted?
Thanks for the headsup. I’ve edited out her details so only the message is visible.
how do I boost on lemmy
I agree with all this but I feel like Americans are the last people who should lead such a movement. To so many of us, the ones your country has raped and destroyed without apology, i roll my eyes at Americans calling for the end of colonization, genocides and war. It’s like you guys think if you go hard on this war, it will forgive all the centuries of genocide. My people were treated like refuse by Americans for decades, then without apology or reparations , white American kids are now preaching at my indigenous ass about privilege and genocide.
You can’t even call out the hypocrisy or you get hated on. I’ve never experienced as much hate and racism towards my culture from the left, as I have this past 2 years. You expect that shit from the right, but the American left went insane this cycle too
The people that treated your people like refuse are not the same people as the ones protesting against atrocities.
Lumping a whole population together and stereotyping them is wrong, no matter who you’re targeting with your stereotypes.
It certainly gets complicated when America is such a melting pot, and it’s consistently the white overlords who engineer those atrocities.
And yes, many, but not all, of the white underlings choose to give them their full support. As a white underling throwing them the middle finger, I have no idea why.
That being said their point is America shouldn’t lead this charge and IMO that’s fair given America’s support of Israel.
Isn’t being against war and genocide the same as anti-imperialism? I hate how saying “War is bad” has become so controversial and extremist.
I think there will be consequences for Israel’s crimes, just not today.
Israel is destroying its reputation and its future with its current actions. Yet no power in the world can stop them today, because they have waay too many weapons.
I think there will be consequences for innocent Jews who have nothing to do with the Israeli genocide. This sort of behavior gives ammo and a perception of legitimacy to antisemites. Israel is making things harder for Jews worldwide for years to come.
This is why it is important to separate anti-semitism and anti-zionism.
A thing that Israel is actively working against
Have there been consequences for the United States’ or Canada’s genocides against Indigenous peoples? Not really.
People can just get away with things unless you make them pay for it.
EDIT case in point, 200 years from now we could be celebrating the jewel of democracy Israel, while “acknowledging its troubled past” but you’re still doing this over the bones of the people your predecessors slaughtered. I’m not even saying it wouldn’t be genuine, like people today in the US and Canada bemoan the actions of previous colonizers. But the fact of what happened remains immutable. The slaughter happened, and the people who committed it accomplished their aims. They got away with it.
The death of religious spirituality at the hands of religious identity.
I think there will be consequences for Israel’s crimes, just not today.
Possibly, but that won’t help the dead kids. The focus must be on stopping the genocide as quickly as possible. Finding and punishing the perps can wait.
I think there will be consequences for Israel’s crimes, just not today.
I hope you’re right.
let’s discuss why people are supporting governments, politicians and companies backing the genocide
Because western ideology is ultimately ultranationalism, they will always support their country against others.
You shouldn’t blame Zionism on a mental illness. Zionism is a choice to be awful.
I think all fascism is a mental illness.
Luckily, there is a treatment, as demonstrated by one of its most famous sufferers. It can even be self administered!
I’m all for suicide jokes, but equating fascism with mental illness is taking the joke too far.
More like a plague, but it is. It is genuinely a sickness.
Edit: fascists are not well, and should not be allowed to make decisions.
Neurodivergent people should be allowed to make decisions. Fascists should be shot. That’s the difference.
Sure, because theyre a danger to the rest of us, it’s incurable, and they’re in terrible suffering. And also because it’s funny.
It’s a mind virus
Faith isn’t the reason, it’s the excuse
I didn’t say it was faith either. It’s not mental illness or faith.
To be fair the OP didn’t call it mental illness either. They said something was wrong with them as a person.
It is a conscious decision to commit genocide, using Judaism as a cover to protect them from criticism. Intentionally bombing children does mean something is wrong with you IMO
Notice how OP used the term butchery? Like a conflict between two powers of different scale. It’s a war not a genocide. I believe Hamas is the one that actively calls for genocide “kill all the Jews? Death to america?”. That’s pretty much the mission objective: it’s frequently stated. Comes from Iran like all the funny news you listen too.
Israel just doesn’t give a fuck about civilian casualties. War crimes absolutely. Couple of day keeps the terrorism away that’s their motto.
Both sides are bad, but you’re actively supporting the one that actively is pursuing genocide while verbally proclaiming it.
If Israel wanted to commit a genocide of the Palestinian people, it would’ve been done decades ago because of the imbalance of military power.
religion is a powerful motivator, often used to get gullibles to commit awful crimes
They said they oppose genocide because they’re not a psychop*th. That’s not appropriate language. We don’t use slurs, and we don’t blame Zionism on ASPD.
… Psychopath is a slur?
Are bad/lacking morals a mental illness? Seriously, at what point do we draw the line? It’s a curious topic.
No, they’re not. When psychologists become the arbiters of correct morality and pathologise disagreement, society is fucked.
You’re thinking of what happens when good people make the rules. But what if people like Freud were in charge of calling certain moral values illnesses? We already have enough problems with things like homosexuality being called a mental illness. What if Trump Derangement Syndrome were in the DSM?
It’s working it’s way in there. Give it a few more years and they’ll be able to institutionalize us for TDS.
What if Trump Derangement Syndrome were in the DSM?
IDK but I’ve definitely self-diagnosed with it.
That’s not what she does. Being a bad person or even being a psychopath is not considered a mental illness.
In a certain sense you’re right; psychop*th is Greek for “suffering soul”. It’s supposed to just refer to the abstract idea of mental illness. But in practice, it’s a slur against ASPD. And even if that weren’t the case, using the Greek word for mentally ill person as an insult is disgusting behaviour.
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I’m talking about psychology, not history. Sociopathy is not considered an illness.
“Yeah but Palestinians are subhuman and therefore don’t deserve human empathy” - Israel,
probablyactuallyAnimal stereotypes of Palestinians in Israeli discourse - Wikipedia - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_stereotypes_of_Palestinians_in_Israeli_discourse
Jesus, how much have the Zionists modified that Wiki article? A text supposedly about how Israelis dehumanize Palestinians repeatedly starts by reciting the issue with Palestinians and Muslims dehumanizing Jews? This is the first mention of the details of dehumanization:
“Among Palestinians, Israelis have been referred to as pigs, dogs, and bloodsucking vampires, while in Israeli discourse references to Palestinians as savage animals and or repugnant critters has also been attested, and at least once, protesting Gazans have been described as mere ammunition weaponized by their “cannibal” leaders.”
And this is the first paragraph under “Background”:
“Even though Jews, like a number of other religious minorities, Christians included, were accorded protected status in Islamic societies, the use of abusive stereotypes was not uncommon, some of them were grounded in Quranic and early scholarly traditions.”
Is this about Israeli dehumanization of Palestinians? WTF? Let’s always start by reciting how Muslims maybe kind of deserve it, or maybe bring the dehumanization on themselves.
No but you antisemites just dont understand! Exterminating the hamas people is the culture of the jewish people¹. So really, by stopping the ‘genocide’, youre actually doing genocide against a proud 5000 year old culture! Youre literally hitler, who was actually just an innocent tool duped by hamas btw.
¹those weak subhuman diaspora ‘jews’ may try to mislead you about that. Clearly this is just internalized antisemitism.
Out of curiosity I checked out the inverse article and to my great surprise (/s) it didn’t start by mentioning israely dehumanization of palestinians. It sid however mention someone’s opinion that dehumanization was ignored when palestinians did it.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_stereotypes_of_Jews_in_Palestinian_discourse
