Not to be used to train AI. We promise.
LLM’s out here running wild. How Rude.Maybe I should switch to Linux again.
They’d break SO MANY international and data security laws if they tried breaking into people’s OneDrive, it’d be hilarious to see the number of lawsuits they’d lose by default.
they’re probably already doing that to a smaller degree, and slightly protecting themselves with an obscure clause in their TOS. besides, you only lose lawsuits if you get caught - and churning things through AI is a great way to erase any fingerprints that identifies stolen data
they’re probably already doing that to a smaller degree, and slightly protecting themselves with an obscure clause in their TOS
As soon as you find proof, you have literally free money up for the taking at any court.
you only lose lawsuits if you get caught - and churning things through AI is a great way to erase any fingerprints that identifies stolen data
That’s… not how any of this works…
an obscure clause in TOS won’t be a small print of an evil villain speech exposing their plot in clear wording. what it would be is something worded vaguely enough to make things seem like the end user technically agreed to what was being done, it could also be an “and” where you expected “or”, or an ommision of a specific thing… my point being - it’s always going to be a technicality that in case of a lawsuit would be a valid defence in the eyes of law
it very much is how it works though? show me a lawsuit someone lost before they got caught commiting a crime. and how would you even go about proving that your unpublished documents were used to train AI? even an entire life’s work of one person is just a speck in the training data, it’s impossible to definitively prove your work was stolen and used to train an AI. besides there will always be plausible deniability that the AI just made shit up that happened to look kinda like what you once wrote
an obscure clause in TOS won’t be a small print of an evil villain speech exposing their plot in clear wording. what it would be is something worded vaguely enough to make things seem like the end user technically agreed to what was being done
That means nothing. Illegal terms can’t be enforced in contracts or terms of service.
it’s always going to be a technicality that in case of a lawsuit would be a valid defence in the eyes of law
No. Written law always takes precedence. If they spied on your data stored in OneDrive, they’d lose by default the moment the case hit the courthouse.
As for your second paragraph: yeah, I agree. If they did that, the damage would’ve already been done. But it would kill the business once found out. The benefit is not worth the risk.
For example: you’re saying that they would use it to train AI, right?
They don’t train AI. They get a trained model from OpenAI.
To anyone thinking “LibreOffice still has issues”, here’s the LibreOffice donation page to help them fix it up and be rid of MS Office forever.
No, I don’t think they will. LibreOffice
Laughs in LaTeX?
I’ve been writing all my college papers in LaTeX and it’s been great. They look so professional, and it’s easier to work on a collection of text files than one monolithic document.
I swear typesetting your papers is worth half a grade point at least. Then once you find Zotero and realize it will automagically handle your citations and you have auto biblios and cites working in LyX…life changing, absolutely.
I’ve never learned latex but it seems like a huge learning curve. Never even proficiently learned vim yet
Not really like Vim at all. But yes its a bit of a learning curve. Imo its worth it but I’m an engineering grad student so it is especially suited to my uses.
It really depends on what you will use it for. Using it for plain text doesn’t require much, some advanced layouts require a bit more digging, if you’re including fancy graphics, equations, bibliography, footnotes, etc, you’re going to look at managing the relevant libraries to gandle that (they are very well made and very convenient). All in all, it can be as complex as you want, but it can also be quite easy to use.
Also LaTeX is way simpler than plain TeX.Not too bad with LyX. Get templates and modify them. It is a learning curve but entirely doable.
These days you can just use AI to make the outline for you and go from there. Should be easier than ever
Google doc for me. It is free and it is good enough. /S
That’s interesting, since Google Docs has always automatically saved files to the cloud.
I’m waiting for them to edit the comment and add an /s tag.
Tbf, if they are in K-12 as a student or teacher, they’d probably have to use google docs anyways.
Thank you to the skilled developers who bailed on OpenOffice when the shit stain company Oracle bought Sun, and formed LibreOffice.
I can only hope there will always be digital freedom fighters on the side of good.
I’ve donated to LibreOffice, and you should too, if you use their suite.
I love LibreOffice, but I wish there was an Android app. I’ve even considered learning more app development to try and help, but it’s such a daunting task.
This here. Not fully featured but a decent reader and editor which we hope will improve with time. Good effort on the devs!
LibreOffice & Open Office Document Reader | ODF https://f-droid.org/packages/at.tomtasche.reader/
It can edit files now? Apparently it can. It took a while but it’s finally there. Finally. Good job.
There’s a web port AFAIK, web dev has a lower entry level
Check out the Collabra Office android app. It probably covers your needs.
Holy fucking shit, what absolute trash
At this point that’s almost like ransomware.
If you mind that Word documents are stored in the cloud by default, you need to modify the default setting
…or just use some other app for your private documents and Word only for work-related stuff or such. I use Word/Office at work and have absolutely no issue with all the documentation being saved in the cloud. But for private stuff I would have to think twice if I want this.
L I B R E O F F I C E
This might be when I finally jump ship and go to Linux. I should do Mint, right?
The breaking point for me was when I was showered with Copilot+ pop-ups on every single hover. Let me fucking copy/cut/paste/format in peace. I never asked for any of this, and neither did any user of any level of expertise.
Switched to OnlyOffice as it felt to perfectly answer my needs. There are still some quirks with non-UTF-8 documents, but you know what, I’d rather iron those issues out than be shoved a product I didn’t request nor need at every single interaction I have.
I highly encourage anyone that hasn’t done already to explore alternatives to the M*crosoft Suite, if they haven’t done it by now. Every update is just the worst form of enshittification known to humankind. Can’t wait to have an intrusive slop AI agent tell me how to do my Maths in the Calculator app next.
Let apps be just apps again 🗣️🗣️📢
You have to click through to a third save dialogue just to choose “Browse my files…”.
This made my blood boil, and then I remembered I switched to Linux a month ago… all good.
Libre office does the job for me! Auto save on cloud sucks. At least you can turn it off! For now.
Auto save on cloud sucks.
Depends on the cloud. I like my files being automatically backed up to my private Nextcloud server.
I understand, everyone has different options on this! I prefer to choose what stays local and what on cloud.
Auto save on cloud sucks
Why?
Because I do not want Microsoft to have access to all my documents.
This
That’s not how cloud save works!
The files are saved to local storage that then gets sync’d up to the Cloud. The files are available both on- and offline.
“Access” as in: have anything to do with them? Then why tf are you using Word on Windows?
“Access” as in: be able to read them? That would be super illegal for them to do and the easiest class action lawsuit win in history. EU fines would eat them alive.
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Because I do not want Microsoft to have access to all my documents.
That’s not how cloud save works! …
You need to explain why you think the second statement refutes the first.
I think I accidentally posted that on the wrong comment. My bad.
As if windows does not send telemetry
Telemetry ≠ Uploading whole documents Which does not mean I defend Windows telemetry but it’s quite different
Comes from a person who hasn’t written telemetry. It’s either useless or contains private information
Private information doesn’t necessarily mean “entire contents of all word documents I have ever created”
Cloud storage has nothing to do with anything/anyone reading the contents of your files.
It’s absolutely mind boggling to me how many completely ignorant people are on the Technology community here.
Just imagining the fines from the “won by default” lawsuits that MS would suffer at the hands of their EU users makes this whole notion hilarious!
There are many tiers of private information.
You can definetly collect a lot of useful telemetry data without collecting any of the, lets say, “most sensitive” private information.
Just to exemplify:
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you can collect telemetry on the most acessed features of a software and associate it with their location: whilst collecting their location you can definetly choose between having the person’s specific location (GPS coordinates with a few meters of accuracy) or their broad location (i.e.: their city, state, or country).
- with the broad location you can have insights on how users of your software behave per region and plan accordinly actions or those regions.
Collecting someones specific location is definetly way more sensitive than their broad location…
And the full content of all textual documents a person generates has a very high chance of containing of their most sensitive private information…
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What an ignorant thing to say…
Don’t use Windows either.
because your phone/laptop doesn’t have a global wi-fi connection, and you might want to open a document pause for dramatic effect outside of your home or work!
Depending on your setup, you will always have an offline copy, too.
I have never seen a setup where that’s not the case.
I’ve yet to see a cloud storage solution that doesn’t have offline-storage.
Like… WTF is going on? This is the Technology community, and yet you people come here and comment like you’ve only dealt with computers in the 90s…
The file is saved locally, then - as soon as there’s a network connection - gets uploaded to the Cloud and remains in both locations. You can access it from both “ends” - if you edit it in the Cloud or on a different device, the changes get sync’d down, etc.
i’ve seen my friends who never changed a setting in their life struggle with not being able to access their files when their internet died. how default settings work i do not know exactly myself, i don’t use cloud saving
There are only two possibilities here: either they were trying to access these files offline on a different device, or they had their storage completely full.
In the latter case OneDrive will kick out the oldest files to Online Only, so that you still have space to save newer stuff locally.
Oh, I guess there’s a third option - they were using some obscure third party cloud storage. Something that’s not Filen, OneDrive or DropBox.
Why I use libreoffice.
