We are just finding out about a child sex trafficking ring involving politicians and billionaires, the world’s richest man does a Nazi salute at a political rally, and the President being an adjudicated sex criminal is probably not the worst thing he has done…
Meanwhile I’m standing here in the checkout line feeling guilty about whether or not I should tip a barista
Something is wrong with our collective notion of morality, and my individual understanding (Oh well, here we are)
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And make sure to turn off all the lights and appliances you’re not using to save power for the AI. This future is trash.
And reduce your water usage because it’s a drought. While we grow water heavy crops like almonds in those drought stricken regions and foreign investors from arid countries grow water heavy crops like alfalfa solely for export back home.
Just finding out? Haha, no, we’ve known about this ring for the better part of a decade now. The wealthy and powerful probably a lot longer than that.
Even the next part:
world’s richest man does a Nazi salute at a political rally,
Don’t get me wrong, horrible and completely unacceptable.
But sure as shit is nowhere near the line of what’s happened with the last 100 years:
The Business Plot, also called the Wall Street Putsch[1] and the White House Putsch, was a political conspiracy in 1933 in the United States to overthrow the government of President Franklin D. Roosevelt and install Smedley Butler as dictator.[2][3] Butler, a retired Marine Corps major general, testified under oath that wealthy businessmen were plotting to create a fascist veterans’ organization with him as its leader and use it in a coup d’état to overthrow Roosevelt. In 1934, Butler testified under oath before the United States House of Representatives Special Committee on Un-American Activities (the “McCormack–Dickstein Committee”) on these revelations.[4] Although no one was prosecuted, the congressional committee final report said, “there is no question that these attempts were discussed, were planned, and might have been placed in execution when and if the financial backers deemed it expedient.”
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_Plot
In case anyone’s eyes glazed over instead of reading, two key points:
wealthy businessmen were plotting to create a fascist veterans’ organization with him as its leader and use it in a coup d’état to overthrow Roosevelt.
And even more importantly:
Although no one was prosecuted, the congressional committee final report said, “there is no question that these attempts were discussed, were planned, and might have been placed in execution when and if the financial backers deemed it expedient.”
Shit didn’t just get bad, it’s been bad.
And the way to fight it is an opposition party like FDR.
Oh yeah Musks grandparents were part of that
Everyone acting like these are the worst times ever, makes me wonder about their history education. Yeah, America’s taken a steep dive this century. Yeah, that’s normal for empires to fall. Usually to greed.
I’m hoping we crash hard, Great Depression hard. That clusterfuck ushered in liberal politics dominating until the 90s. We had conservatives, Reagan comes to mind, but they didn’t have unchecked power like today.
Only exception I got is global warming. We’ve never played this particular game before.
False premise. I never said it was the worst time ever, or even that I was surprised.
This is just about the relativity of my morality and what society is willing to tolerate
(this to the above two smart comments as well - although I don’t fundamentally disagree)
Only exception I got is global warming. We’ve never played this particular game before.
We also never had nukes before.
The conditions have been worse in the past, but the risks are so much worse these days.
Only exception I got is global warming. We’ve never played this particular game before
I mean…
Anatomically modern humans have been around, what, 300k years?
Like you could grab someone from back then as an infant, raise them today, and they’d just be a regular dude.
The last ice age ended about 50k years ago, and that’s why we say civilization was finally able to start. But that ignores that humans went thru the same ice age cycle 4-5 times in those 300k years.
If all it took was “no ice age” then logically the chances of the first civilization being 50k years ago is pretty much zero.
Climate change is like the inevitable reset for humanity. We’re making it happen fast this time, but we can’t really be sure that’s unique either. It doesn’t even take us, just a supervolcanoe or asteroid.
Bright side is it makes it more likely humanity as a species makes it thru the next one. I think evidence shows we’ve been down to like 1,000 humans world wide 70k years ago? Maybe as little as 50 adults of reproductive age?
But we’re 8 something billion now.
A fairly wide range of problems in modern society can be traced to the judiciary’s reluctance to both prosecute and sentence the rich with the same rigor they apply to the poor.
The Business Plot never ended, they just regrouped. All those fuckers involved should have been hung.
The way to fight it isn’t a FDR-style party that will just give concessions to staunch the momentum of the working class, which was rallying behind communist ideology through unionization efforts, that was threatening the capitalist status quo at the time. That status quo is the entire root of the problem. The only way to fight it is to dismantle the system that gives them their power and build something new, not to continue enabling the very systems that keep us on our knees.
Given this past decade, I’d say I we’ve known about it for the worst part of the decade.
No, your notion of morality is accurate, there’s no reason to race to the bottom because someone else sucks more.
No one suggested that we need to do worse than the billionaires.
Capitalism rewards the most heartless greedy pieces of shit. Simple as. It is, in fact, not the best type of economy for any kind of moral society.
Maxwell’s father worked for various intelligence agencies. This appears to be a blackmail operation by the Mossad and/or the CIA. The former Israeli Prime Minister visited Epstein’s home several times.
You know I didn’t really think about that.
I know of the connection between Maxwell and Mossad.
Obviously Mossad needs a way to influence billionaires more than just money. The AIPAC (or whatever) has no real ability to sway them.
The sudden acceptance by western countries acknowledging Gaza a state? Could be that Mossad and AIPAC lost their influence.
The billionaires want Maxwell free because she gets them things they cant normally buy, plus other kickbacks from Israel I presume.
I don’t think it’s blackmailing the billionaires, it’s just out right not giving them what they want.
Yet another reason to not have billionaires.
Because we needed more of thosem
There’s a book about it.
The uncle of the murdered Saudi journalist Jamal Kashoggi had extensive business dealings with Epstein and Israel and the current Saudi ruler MBS was a “friend” of Epstein according to Epstein. Kashoggi was murdered about 10 month prior to Epstein being murderes.
A lot of the evil of the world right now has been involved with Epstein in one way or another.
I think we have three major bad acts at play going on in the US, that I’ve been able to link to specific actors, at least. We have FBI and intelligence confirmed Russian misinformation campaigns exploiting our right to free speech. We have Chinese narcotic warfare (see Opium war), as posited by the DEA - fentanyl precursors are mostly Chinese. And we have the Epstein honeypot operation conducted by CIA/Mossad/Organized crime influencing policy for decades. See these two volumes.
Trump wouldn’t act that guilty if it was.
Why would he not act guilty? He was, at the very least, an unwitting asset.
Her father’s funeral was attended by multiple former Mossad chiefs. It’s believed he gave israel the bomb.
I’d definitely look in that direction.
It’s believed he gave israel the bomb.
I don’t think the timelines on this match up one bit. In fact I wonder what you’re trying to do by linking them. I’ll buy the mossad, their fingers are everywhere, but the israeli nuclear program predates epstein by decades. It would take them ages to get to the point where they could test their work - probably the Vela incident - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vela_incident - and at this time epstein was teaching teens math and science then went on to banking.
so I don’t understand how you conflate these things.
The commenter above is referring to Maxwell’s father, not Epstein.
The thing is:
The little things do matter. They shape who you are. They shape the lives of the people around you. They’re important.
But this is like a death-penalty-on-the-table-murder-trial being interrupted by a nuclear bomb. And that shit always happens.
Yes this other shit happens more, yes it’s a priority, and yes none of your everyday decency will influence it in the slightest, but it still matters.
You just also have to fix that other shit.
It’s not’nothing matters’ its ‘fuck, more work’.
we known it since 2019, when he epsteined himself. and it went back decades, the MSM did thier best to not report it for the last 4 years. because too many politicians, both US and the world leaders, plus many donors.
You’re just finding out maybe.
Are you really feeling guilty about not tipping because of the moral implications, or do you just feel socially shamed? Important distinction.
You may be noticing now. But people have been doing terrible things without consequences forever.
It’s like that with most big ticket items, we run about worrying about recycling while the big polluters continue as usual. Not to say we shouldn’t recycle or not take action if we can but finding ways to make the billionaires pull their heads in would be better.
And you feel bad about not tipping because the employer pays her enough
You mean because they don’t pay them enough? Also could be a him, btw.
Keep being a decent human bean still is the way to go, though. Otherwise it’s a race to the bottom, Marquis de Sade-style. Fuck these psychopaths, you’re better than them!
I mean, you should tip the barista, though.
But who are you tipping, really.
In the US, there is such thing as “tipped minimum wage”. So, federal minimum wage is $7.25/hour, but the employer may pay as little as $2.13/hour themselves if the worker makes up the rest with tips.
Most extreme in Delaware. Minimum wage is $15/hour, but minimum tipped wage is just $2.23, so up to $12.77/hour in tips can just be a discount to the employer.
Why do you think tips are being pushed so much in the US? Chart per jurisdiction: https://www.dol.gov/agencies/whd/state/minimum-wage/tippedAnd lots of employers will refuse to pay more than the tipped rate on slow days stealing wages from the workers if they think they can get away with it.
You wish they did because then you’d have a easy lawsuit with plenty of lawyers willing to take that case. “lots of employers will refuse to pay” is a straight lie, employers are happy to pay the wage if you dont get any tips. Its still min wage and min wage is fuck all.
if they think they can get away with it.
You missed this apparently.
If they think they can get away with it doesnt matter. Obviously the only people commiting wage theft are the ones who think they can get away with it. Its up to the employee to ensure they do not get away with it.
Placing the blame on the victim to not be taken advantage of instead of blaming the one who is taking advantage of others is myopic as fuck.
No where did I blame victims. The original post made the claim that a lot of employers will refuse to pay. I said no a lot of employers wont do that because they would get sued out the ass. He said “if they think they can get away with it” which is a redundant statement, no employer who doesnt think they will get away with wage theft is going to still commit it. So then the original argument is still a lot of employers do not commit wage theft because they would get sued if they did. Employees should continue to take legal actions against employers who do not pay.
To think that employees standing up for their legal rights is victim blaming or licking capitalist boots is braindead.
Bud you think fraud doesn’t happen? How naive are you? Businesses will happily commit fraud if they think they can get away with it. And they do, routinely.
Do you seriously think that I believe that fraud doesnt happen? What would give businesses the impression that they can commit fraud? Oh it would be people not suing the fuck out of them.
If its a slow day and your employer doesnt pay you the legal min wage then you sue them. Its that simple. You dont turn around and act like getting no tips that day was the reason you made $2.
You don’t get paid daily, dipshit. What gives them the impression they can get away with it is because they rely on a convoluted system to obscure their fraud against vulnerable, such as the youth who do not fully understand their rights as workers, and the desperate who are taking bottom of the barrel jobs to make ends meet and don’t want to risk putting their lifeline in jeopardy to stand up for their rights. A legal battle takes time, but rent is due and the fridge is empty right now.
Jesus Christ, you are naive. Holy fuck you’re not even worth talking to. Fuck off with your myopic victim blaming rhetoric.
Is it really as simple as using your not money that you weren’t paid to hire a lawyer, take off of work for even less money to sue your employer?
Where my “that was easy” button, I’m dying to press it.
Jesus christ. No they dont. There’s more than enough dolts like you being employed in an unskilled trade industry for shit wages that has minimal overhead as it is so stealing your wage via tips would mean the restaurant is not going to be in business for long. Its not your employer’s job to babysit your paycheck. If you arent reporting discrepancies, thats on you. Noone is guna keep working at a place that isnt paying employees what their owed. Especially not in an industry where the wage floor is so low and the employment is so heavily driven by word of mouth.
Why the hostility and insults to
unskilledessential workers? Those jobs are often worked at by young workers who don’t necessarily know their rights. I agree it’s bad business practice to do it but it absolutely happens.Its not your employer’s job to babysit your paycheck.
LOL Yes, it literally is.
dolts like you … If you arent reporting discrepancies, thats on you
Nice insult, very constructive. What would the capitalist business owners do without people like you putting down workers and defending their shitty business practices? Also ah yes it is the workers fault for that they are getting wages stolen from them not the owner’s or manager’s.
Got a love all the victim blaming going on in this thread right mate? I seriously don’t get these people who bend over backwards to lick capitalist boots.
Also stealing wages via tips is different than not paying the difference between tipped min wage and regular minimum wage when there isn’t much business. Maybe there was some confusion on your part about what I was referring to there.
Both are forms of wage theft and both do happen, but I wasn’t referring to stealing tips in my OC. Perhaps I could’ve worded my comment better to make that clearer.
This sounds like something a non-tipper would say
Are you thinking not tipping would magically transform a “tipped” position (that was subject to the minimum tipped wage) into a non-tipped position (that was subject to the normal minimum wage)? What’s the threshold? A particular percentage of transactions refraining from tipping? Under a specific dollar amount of tips per worker? The employer having to supplement the tips to get it up to the minimum tipped wage more than a certain percentage of the time? Are you sure “yeah, but there’s a blank on the receipt labeled ‘tip’, so theoretically the workers could get tips” isn’t enough to make the minimum tipped wage apply? Does it vary by jurisdiction?
Meanwhile, the real person behind the real counter of the real coffee shop you like probably regularly skips meals to afford rent.
Even if what you’re suggesting could work, who’s to say they wouldn’t immediately replace it with some “gig economy” sort of alternative that would turn the workers into freelancers to whom no minimum wage applied?
Yes, advocate for worker rights, but don’t kid yourself that not tipping your servers is somehow doing them a favor.
It would actually magically transform it from a tipped position to a non tipped position. If you dont tip the server they still receive a legal min wage. If you tip the server all you’re doing is paying the employers share of that employees wage.
You assume the business isn’t committing fraud by not reporting accurate tips and/or aren’t taking advantage of the naive and vulnerable by convincing them it is in their best interest to not report accurately.
Wage theft is the largest and most common category of theft in the US, after all.
The only real solution is a general strike of all wage staff that prevents these businesses from operating until things change. But that would require massive unionization efforts before it would even be remotely possible.
No. I am assuming that the business is committing fraud by misleading their employee into thinking their pay will remain $2 + tips even when their tips are below the min wage or the business is just paying $2 + tips instead of the legal min wage. The only thing being discussed here is the Fair Labor Standards Act. Everything else is random shit you’re making up to muddy the water.
A general strike would be the best outcome for the business. All they have to do is say "ok things have changed we will pay you what you’re lawfully owed.
Legal action the business could be fined 10k or more and the employee gets all lost wages + costs.
Yeah and also when the president rapes kids, he’s goes to prison.
No they don’t, at least in every single tipped position I’ve ever worked, which would be at least 20 different places.
In reality what you’re doing is just fucking over the person working that position. I agree that the rules suck, but you’re not changing them by not tipping. Get involved in a way that will actually make a difference, and if you can’t afford to tip, just consider yourself unable to afford that particular service.
No, it is not our job to pay their salaries
We need to advocate for better pay, and stop taking tipped jobs.
We need to advocate for better pay
Yes.
and stop taking tipped jobs.
If people could just “stop taking tipped jobs” you really think they wouldn’t have been doing that already?
Your post kinda has “have you tried just not being depressed?” energy.
I stopped taking tipped jobs. I’m homeless and unemployed, and suffer from depression and ADHD.
They aren’t necessarily linked, but doing one’s best to stop participating in certain parts of a capitalist society is actually a choice. It’s not like depression.
I mean, that depends. How much love did she put in the coffee?
Please don’t put any love related fluids in my coffee
Tip service workers, steal from Kroger.
