DEAL, however as these farms are worked by the public they should become owned by the public. And the harvest be distributed at-cost to the public.
Honestly I’m all for it. It gives you some understanding how food is produced, gives you some contact with nature, maybe some physical exercise, some respect for farm workers, and such.
Definitely better than military service
while corporations get free labor win win for them!
And a little bit of glyphosate in the lungs.
yeah well that is an issue with workings conditions in general, i’d say. not specific to this proposal here.
I wonder how many rich kids will develop bone spurs?
Ok, they can work retail.
Not while you forbid cashiers to work sitting down for no reason at all.
Bone spurs don’t stop you from standing for 8 hours.
To be honest, I’ve never actually looked up what bone spurs are. I’ve only ever heard it in the BS-rich context that is Trump, so I didn’t bother looking up facts ¯\(ツ)/¯
Thank you for educating me.
I totally would but I dont want to take a job away from those hardworking American farmers. They’ve fought too hard to win them back and would just be a shame to take them all away again.
Make America Great Leap Forward Again
Great. We all say this about the service industry, too. So since farming is your life blood you think its hard and people need to understand.
By that logic, everyone should be drafted for many different vocations to gain perspective on other people’s careers.
Edit: Also it seems she’s implying that someone else will pay the wages if she wants a draft. She wouldn’t have to rely on imported employees if she payed a living wage to begin with.
I don’t think this is a bad idea. Have young people do a 2 year service in let’s say, three month periods, in different socially important sectors like health, public space maintenance, care of the disadvantaged, forest maintenace, etc. chosen at random. It would help people realize a lot of things about the society we live in.
I don’t disagree at all. Gives kids a little nibble of different sectors before they commit their lives to one. Not to mention the hard work, and perspective you gain by doing so.
Everyone should have experienced working retail. That should reduce the amount of Karen’s massively!
Do serious farmers even want inexperienced randos picking their precious harvest though? I guess it might depend on the crop, but a lot of vegetables and fruits need the proper handling, or they’ll be ruined or at least second-rate.
Tbh, I think especially the work-intensive low-qualification jobs like picking berries and stuff are easy enough to teach. I’d be more afraid of people who really don’t want to be there doing the job.
The people doing the job right now really need the money, so even if they most likely don’t enjoy doing the job either, they have a lot of incentive to perform well.
If you put some rich kid there who is just biding their time, that can’t be fired and that doesn’t need the money either, they will likely be nothing more but a waste of space at best and actively harmful at worst.
There was some politician way back, can’t remember who, was going on about getting convicted felons in prison to pick crops.
Yeah no.
Or, and hear me out here: We could pay people a competitive wage for their labor.
I understand the need for agricultural subsidies. The government inserts itself into the normal supply/demand process to protect the general public against a famine.
What I don’t understand is why those subsidies don’t seem to be flowing past the greedy hands of corporate farmers and into the pockets of farm laborers.
you can’t have competitive wages on a free market as long as somebody else is willing to do it for less. That’s why migrant labor would have to end first.
Tbh, I’m not convinced that this would really happen. There’s not that much price elasticity to a lot of agricultural products. If the strawberries cost too much, most people will just not be able to afford strawberries and thus will just not buy them but instead buy less labour-intensive produce instead.
One could argue that if strawberries cannot be produced in a way that earns everyone involved a living wage then we shouldn’t produce strawberries, and that’s a totally valid point to argue.
It’s also fair to argue that we need to cut out capitalism’s inherent inefficiency of having to feed the capitalists in the process who did contributed nothing in terms of labour. But on the one hand, this hasn’t worked out that great in the past and on the other hand this would require more of a change than to just kick out migrants.
What would be more likely to happen (since we’ve seen it happen during Covid already) is that the wages will go up, but the locals still won’t do the work, thus strawberries will rot on the fields, the shelves will be empty, the prices will go up, but not enough to cover the losses for the farmers and the farmers will plant something less labour-intense next season.
(Wages would have to go way, way up before people will voluntarily quit their job in an AC’d office to work on a field.)
Actually I don’t think it’s that terrible for an idea, as long as things like food and accommodations are provided, and you can’t get out of it by paying (e.g. pay someone to do it for you).
I’d like to see billionaires doing hard labor alongside ordinary people.
If we’re doing it, we gotta add in a rotation of frontline retail/restaurant work.
How about we just add it to curriculum for school. During general highschool educational, you must take at least one Public Service class per year. You can choose from farming, retail, plumbing, electrician, road crew, et cetera. Each kid has to do a certain number of hour per school year, and it’s required even if private school kids. Disability would obviously be an exception, but otherwise you need to be doing at least X number of hours per school year to graduate. Could help people understand how these things work, and hopefully build some empathy in the little sociopaths.
I’m able to have a sense of empathy for all those people you listed, without having done every single one of them personally. I don’t know what the best way to teach empathy is, however.
We are not slaves. Fuck off. If your business can’t survive, then you go out of business.
But think of the exposure you’ll get!
- Exposure to sunburn
- Exposure to insect bites
- Exposure to the elements
- Exposure to pesticides and agriculture chemicals
Yeah it’s a good idea until you consider that the ‘business’ feeds your nation. You’re not talking about airlines being bailed out etc.
If your nation is too poor to afford the food it grows then you’re already fucked.
This is what MAO did during the cultural revolution. Intellectuals and ‘professionals’ got sent to work in the communes. Hard to believe that MAGAts are asking for commmnist policies, but then the Kirk thing has surprised me in terms of the policies they want now. Since Kirks policies are no longer acceptable?
It makes sense when you understand that MAGA doesn’t really have a ideological base. They are a group of people pissed off on the economic prospects of their lives without having any real understanding on how to fix it.
When you choose your words, you can get a MAGA to be 1000% aggreeable on the “libtard” views they rail against every day. I do it every day and I’m not exaggerating.
They nationalized Intel for chrissakes (ok, partially) and are or have done the same with TikTok. It’s like they’re doing a bass ackwards play at the horshoe theory. Anything to avoid the middle at Capitalist Socialism.
i think supporting intel was a mistake. intel produces cutting-edge chips, unlike ARM which is significantly cheaper and catching on to intel performance-wise.
Basically, intel can’t continue because they’re at their natural end of life: with the end of moore’s law, it’s only a matter of time till ARM catches up performance-wise, and out-competes them on price.
Though the goals were different. Intellectuals weren’t sent from their labor, they were sent to get re-educated because Mao thought they were too bougie.
MAGA’s woke is pretty close to Mao’s or Stalin’s bougie.
History doesn’t repeat itself, but it often rhymes.
100% guarantee that those who are proposing this will have some sort of exemptions for themselves and their oligarch friends.
i’m proposing this and i’ve already done farm labor twice so far (two seasons). i would recommend it to everyone who’s moderately physically healthy, i’d say.
This is definitely proposed by someone who runs a farm and wants free labor.
Id cost them so fucking much in repairs. I don’t need the produce to eat, the local varmints will suffice.
Like being over 30? Or more than that?
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I’m going to go out on a limb here, and guess that Kelly is over 30?
/ owns a farm and doesn’t realize the logistics of training tens of thousands of new farm hands who do not want to be there every season.
Nope. It’s slavery. They want to do a slavery.
And not even smart. Farming today is sonething you have to train at and want / need to do. Grab 100 people that have never farmed before and set them loose in a field to find out how quickly crops burn.
Hint: Marxist-Leninists really like slavery, so that’s not a distinguishing factor.
I think the big difference would be that under this you’d probably be working for next to nothing to enrich Monsanto or something, whereas under a Socialist system these would be public lands owned by the people, do be distributed to the people.
Having the military do farm work/construction is also pretty common in those kind of countries too.
Who’s the “our” in “our farms” referring to? 👀
You know…good people. (Pay no attention to the fact that the definition of good people changes wildly every day based on the moods and whims of Dear Leader.)
A very good point.
…right , so only the family farms? Not any farm owned by a corporation, right?
I was thinking more like “farms collectively owned by the populace”…
Make it so the farmer has to pay the median wage to anyone drafted like this.
I bet they’ll shut up real fast.
Hell back in HS we got first shot at detasseling corn and deroguing beans. I lasted a day, some boys lasted a few. By the time they brought in the mexicans a week later, there would be maybe 2 of the scariest foodball players left, and they did make decent money by the end of their little stint.
Your average person is going to get heatstroke from this.
