Geez, lots of paleontologists have skeletons in their closets.
Sorry
I for one, enjoyed your pun.
A paleontologist and a pale ontologist walk into a bar…
I want to announce that everyone in the Epstein files is banned from my house, with the exception of Bill Gates, who was already banned and is now double banned.
Don’t you hate it when a good boycott comes along, and you can’t participate because you’ve already been boycotting them for some previous atrocity? I keep finding good reasons to boycott United, but I’ve been boycotting them for decades.
At this point I whitelist rather than blacklist.
How stunning and brave of you to stand up for what is right.
Clearly those in the files will feel the hot wrath of justice by not being able to ever go over to your place for Hot Pockets and Capri Suns.
I’ll have you know my homemade hummus and baba ganoush platter is the talk of the neighborhood.
Recipie tax or b&. 🔫
You make them like normal but add more allspice than you’d think is reasonable. And a bit of smoked paprika on the ganoush. And don’t skimp on the olive oil. I’m talking
Also, broil the eggplants after they’re done, before you scoop the goodness out (you can also barbeque them). And don’t blend them, you want that weird texture.
Serve with pita and little boats of celery, carrots. bell pepper, onion, whatever you want that is crunchy and can scoop globs of them
I feel like Mia Wallace after just doing a line of blow in Jack Rabbit Slim’s bathroom. “I said goddamn!”
Excellent contribution, chatter. Uncritical support.
Real glad I’m not in the Epstein files right now. I don’t think I could handle missing out on homemade baba ganoush. I’ll pick up some shawarma and be right over
I’ll bring the pita bread my brother in God.
And next up is Jimmy Babaganoosh!
If yall been having people mentioned in the files visiting your house then I got a lot of questions for you that I didn’t have before reading this.
I mean if your company is owned or adminstrated by an epstein associate they should be forced to put up a sign and register as a sex offender (corporations are people, after all).
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(*Microsoft is a registered sex offender)
Lmao. That italic/asterisk text would be amazing to see IRL. Although I feel like it would be rarer for a corporation to not have that.
It just seems correct, like how it should have been all along.
DinoCon for pres
Wow so many pedo apologizers in the comments.
I never thought I would see pedophilia become a political issue.
The MAGA cult is real.
Well, y’know, those little girls were sluts. /S
My online friend lists have been through the chopping block recently, a good society must have intolerance for the intolerant and devious.
There’s zero excuse for an adult to sexually assault a child, or to have known and kept the secret.
not everyone who ever interacted with Epstein was/is a pedophile.
he had a broad network of various levels of social gatherings and sex parties. not all of them were pedo parties. the majority were not.
the notion that anyone who ever interacted with him in anyway is a pedophile or pedophile supporter is an incredibly broad and stupid approach. there are various levels of participation and interact with him. he clearly had an inner circle, an outer circle, and then 10000s of tangential connections with various people. hopefully with more disclosure of the files who is who will become apparent.
punish the guilty who committed crimes. not their associates. guilt by association is cognitive bias that seeks to punish innocent people for merely being in proximity to those who commit crimes.
Epstein’s behavior was publicly well-known long before his initial arrest. I remember my first thought was “Finally, what took them so long?”
Anyone who had ANY contact with him after his 2008 conviction, who pursued any kind of relationship with him - personal, business, friendship, networking, sex client, etc. - is burned. They knew who he was, and any reasonable, moral person, especially one with public responsibilities, should have know to avoid any contact, of any kind.
There was no valid reason for having a personal relationship with Epstein after 2008, and anyone who did, deserves all the public derision and contempt they receive.
This is specifically in regards to those who continued to have correspondence and business dealings with Epstein after his first conviction for raping and rape trafficking literal children. This is not legal punishment, this is an organization drawing a line and choosing to not let these people be involved with them.
You can be very shitty and dangerous person and still be well within the law, these folks are simply protecting themselves and everyone involved with them from people that knowingly interacted and did business with a child rape cabal.
This is a fair take, and I greatly prefer an “innocent before proven guilty” justice system. I think it’s also fair for you to read the article before commenting.
The Society of Vertebrate Paleontology released a notice to members last week, cautioning that inclusion in the Epstein files does not alone imply misconduct.
And who is going to determine what misconduct is? They have a crack team of legal experts reading all the files? devil is in the details.
the issue I’m addressing is the broader moral panic and the moral grandstanding that goes along with it that surrounds this whole thing, and pedophilia in general, or that these types of symbolic gestures are some form of justice for the crimes of Epstein and his trafficking associates.
“I don’t like people not interacting with folks who were close to a violent child rapist after knowing he was a violent child rapist, you’re making too big of a deal out of it.” - you
I don’t really think it’s up to DinoCon to solve crimes. Obviously symbolic gestures aren’t justice, but I don’t really see what else DinoCon is supposed to do. Are you honestly asking DinoCon to spin up a crack team of legal experts to manage the epstein case? Maybe we should have GenCon start tracking down serial killers while we’re at it.
Professionally speaking? They should privately dis-invite the speakers or seminar leaders who make questionable appearances in the files, but not make a public hoopla over it. They probably have a ethics of conduct code that might have been demonstrably violated.
But I have no idea what criteria they would be using to make those calls. For all we know maybe they have no codified ethics codes as an organization.
My beef with it is the virtue signalling publicity. Making a big public stink about benefits who exactly? It’s little more than grandstanding moralizing PR.
I mean, yes, but also, in the OP statement “after his conviction.”
As in, after we knew what he was doing, why would peoppe ever associate with him again.
Its not even some weird ass “gray area” thing where you are an 18 year old in HS dating a 16 year old at your HS. Its literally sex trafficking of very minor minors.
innocent before proven guilty is only a thing where the crime is actually being investigated. because it’s not, nearly any actions and considerations by individuals is fair game. technically it always was.
What a time we live in, where somehow this is a hot take. Reading these comments just makes me sad, like how do we have so many fucking boot lickers that are defending associates of child rapists. Good fuck man this society is so trashed. I don’t think we come back from this timeline. We are beyond saving.
Based
Based paleontologists
Yet the PO(TU)S has put sanctions on judges in Europe for issuing arrest warrants on Netanyathu.
Court of public opinion, eager to find ways to sate their thirst for justice…or investigation…or…literally any action regarding Epstein.
Yes, the general public thinks child rapists and murderers are bad people. So are Nazis and racists.
News at 11
But they elected and keep supporting them, news at 12.
That is commendable.
Genuinely curious if they had the same resolve when it comes to the genociders and those affiliated with them.You’re right, they should ban russians who support the genocide currently being attempted in Ukraine.
STFU ziofascist.
No, I’m not defending Epstein. Fuck that guy and all his cronies. But you guys are being played like a piano.
do elaborate
Big Dino doesn’t want you to know this one secret!
You have literally gone from persecuting child rapists to persecuting people who might be child rapists to people who might be associated with people who might be child rapists. You’re literally persecuting paleontologists. That’s insane.
If I was going to fuck up a society or make a big distraction this is probably how I do it.
Hook them with the worst thing in the world. Get them pointing fingers at each other. And while they’re distracted, fuck with Greenland or something
People directly corresponding with and doing business with someone after they have been convicted of raping and trafficking literal children is a bit beyond association. That’s not hard to comprehend. They’re not taking them to court, they’re choosing to have nothing to do with them.
You’ve got some boot polish on your nose, there.
Defend em some more, please!
100% disagree
won’t somebody think of the poor friends of childrapists who are unable to go to this one conference now? oh the humanity!
I’m not even sure who you’re meant to be defending, and why shouldn’t we shame and court those in the files?
It constantly amazes me how righteously passionate people can get. About people they never met, stuff they never saw, things they know about only pecause the professional rabble-rousers told them so.
My respect level drops.
Oh no! The respect of someone who responds to the epstein files with jealousy and defense!
Jealousy and defence? I’m citing justice and common decency.
Justice is pedophiles being centrifuged into their constituent elements.
Wait but we’re not talking about pedophiles are we? We’re talking about people who communicated with an organization run by pedophiles. That’s a big difference.
“ThEy’rE not PedOPhiLeS ThEy JuSt ARe FriENdS with MaNY Of tHeM DaS Not ThE sAmE”
If you know they’re terrible people, and you continue to have connections to them then you’re either terrible also, or an enabler.
Any person who was over 20 years old who sexually assaulted any person under 15 years old, and ANY WHO KNEW IT and didn’t shout it from the mountaintops deserves to die, or rot in a hole.
They probably aren’t even friends. Maybe they just exchanged an email. You don’t know.
they probably aren’t even friends
You don’t know either, all we can do is use our best judgement.
If someone’s name pops up 3 times in 4 million documents, I would give the benefit of the doubt, but if somebody has been to ‘Rape Island’ 30 times then I’m going to cut ties with them, their business, and anybody who says ‘YoU dOn’T kNoW for SuRe’
Too many people forget that “Innocent until proven guilty” is for the law, not for ethics.
My ethics tell me that if you’re not blatantly denouncing a child rapist, you are not a good person.
Did anyone in this thread read the article?
According to the Montana Standard, after his name surfaced in the released files, Horner posted, and later deleted, a social media statement calling his decision to pursue Epstein’s support an extremely poor judgment. He said that while he knew Epstein had been convicted of soliciting prostitution, he was unaware of Epstein’s broader sex trafficking operation until years later.
Horner wrote that his visit involved only Epstein, staff, and several women introduced as college students. He said Epstein donated $10,000 toward a 2012 DinoChicken conference but otherwise declined to fund his research. “There was nothing weird, inappropriate, or out of the ordinary,” Horner said in the statement.
The Society of Vertebrate Paleontology released a notice to members last week, cautioning that inclusion in the Epstein files does not alone imply misconduct.
Those are sketchy circumstances, I think a ban from events is more than fair under the circumstances. Normally I would expect a ban like this to be lifted once feds completed their investigation (assuming no wrongdoing occurred), but obviously the feds aren’t interested in investigating, so we may not get the chance to know whether or not there’s more to this.
I think it’s fair to expect the justice system to pursue “innocent before proven guilty”, but private organizations ban and/or suspend members all the time due to credible accusations, even if they haven’t been convicted in a court of law.
If someone is convicted of murder and you know it but didn’t see it, did it really happen? Despite what you may believe trees do make noises when falling in a forest unobserved.
As an aside, the tree falling the woods saying is incredibly dumb, of course it makes a noise. The part that’s supposed to be thought provoking is the assumption that the entire world revolves around our lives, a bacteria on the surface of a piece of dust in an incomprehensibly larger whole. But no, physics is an illusion that doesn’t exist outside of us experiencing it.
Of course it is dumb but it is one many understand and it illustrates a point. Do you have an alternative that is as recognizable and is just as eloquent?
Moral standards matter; even if you never met the victim, or saw the abuse happening, and the source is (like you said) “professional rabble-rousers”.
I think the DinoCon is doing the right thing.
What a coincidence, my respect level for you just followed that same arc as I read your half baked comment!
because it’s easy to moralize and grandstand about strangers
I like that they’re also banning anyone not doing a similar ban
Secondary sanctions from a dino convention. Based.
Ditto. Specially because they’re focusing on the executives of those organisations, i.e. the people with actual decision power. That’s the right way to do it.
“Hold people accountable or else we will hold you accountable”
What if you’re not sure all this passionate witch-hunting is a good thing? Is that allowed?
It’s banning sunshine from a convention, not throwing them in prison. That’s not witch hunting, that’s something every convention does with problematic guests. Conventions are held by organizations and businesses - they have just as much right to kick and ban people as any other org or business. Nobody’s being hurt, persecuted, or prosecuted. Your argument is invalid.
Last I checked people being associated with others who have raped, mutilated, and killed children for little more than a power grab also makes you a horrible person by association.
There are many levels of association.
For example, I might be invited to a conference. And I might decline that invitation. There now we’re associated by those emails. Am I a horrible person now?
If that was an argument such people could make, they’re welcome to present evidence.
However, anyone who voluntarily associated with the world’s worst pedophile after his conviction has no excuse. Comparing people to the company they keep has been valid since the beginning of time.
The question was : am I a horrible person now?
They answered. If you have evidence that you declined, then no.
From the wording I’m willing to bet they did a bit more investigation than just doing a pass/fail on a Ctrl+f
I do strongly suspect so. That or bot.
For example, I might be invited to a conference. And I might decline that invitation. There now we’re associated by those emails. Am I a horrible person now?
Did you reach out to ask to be invited? Or did you receive an invite and decline it. Because we’re talking about the former. We’re talking about people who reached out to Epstein or his associates. They were in contact with.
So yes, that would make you a horrible person, especially after the allegations came out. And you’re a horrible person for doing your absolute damndest to defend these people.
You got banned from Dinocon, didn’t you.
Witches are fictional. The above is not.
Don’t overheat your little 2-bit processor now
Excuse me? Witch hunts were fueled by religious superstition. People were hanged, burned, drowned for being things that don’t exist in the real world, and bedding a fallen angel for magical powers. Tell me how the fuck this correlates. Aside from Epstein and Trump being the fucking Devil.
Bruh why… how was this dudes reach into everything
He did get his start in education. Given a job he was unqualified for by [traitorous] former AG Bill Barr’s father (who also wrote creepy pedo sci fi novels)
I feel you could get into the list by sending a letter asking for funding for some science work
I’d be curious if you find any cold call messages asking for science funding in the documents release. From what I see, it’s people who are socializing benifiting from associating with powerful people. I’ve also seen an email where someone asked him if he would be interested in upgrading the computer labs for a school he clearly made the calculation that he wasn’t getting anything out of it and so gave an excuse for why he couldn’t contribute.
When you’re a global criminal organization, you ensure immunity by blackmailing and/or extorting every single person in a position of power as much as possible. There’s a reason these monsters have gotten away with it–and continue to get away with it–for so damn long
Also, if you’re someone who is seeking power, you do everything you can to suck up to people with it. There are plenty of people in every field who are willing to put up with, or do, horrible things to be treated like they’re special.
pretty much. Basically everyone who is of note is implicated in the files. It’s ridiculous
