As an outsider, I’d like to remind you 'muricans that you don’t have a democracy, much less a democratic party. You have two big groups that are kept afloat by big money in need of “favors”
This must be one of the nicest ways I’ve ever seen someone call a group of people morally bankrupt whores without using any of those words
Keeping it at bay? The fuck are you smoking
Democrats do actively pass progressive reform, so who is really being duped? You who lets emotions and propaganda control your political outlook, or people who actually attempt to fight back by electing Democrats?
The biggest threat the progressive polices is the lefts inability to recognize their being played, not by the Democratic Party but by the media who baits them into blaming the party for things it cannot control.
The easiest mark is the one who thinks themselves too smart to be a mark.
You guys can’t be serious. When the Democratic Party throws up their hands and says “it’s out of our control” instead of actually fighting for progressive reform, you actually believe them? After everything we’ve seen? What will it actually take for you to realize the Democrats aren’t fighting for us?
Either you’re part of the party or you’re not. It sounds like you are not. Good luck with that.
There are many powerful people that do not want the progressive agenda to succeed and they are more than happy to play us against each other.
They are already in the head of anyone they believes this is the democratic leadership and it’s hard to accept anyone who refuses to acknowledge that on any level is truly of a progressive mindset.
The right accuses the Democrats of being radical left socialists, and the Democratic leadership responds by moving to the right. The powerful people you refer to - who do not want the progressive agenda to succeed - are the democratic leadership themselves. They work in tandem with those on the right to sabotage the efforts of progressives to gain power in the Democratic Party.
So yeah, I’m not part of the party, not by my own choice but because the party doesn’t want me. If you are truly of a progressive mindset it doesn’t want you either, but honestly it seems they’ve successfully tamed the progressivism within you.
We’re never going to badger the current DNC corporate shills into working for the people… They’ll need to be replaced before we can hope to stop the ratchet effect and start making real change
I’m sold. Let’s do it.
First step is making a place everyone can access and start collecting information… Any idea how to do that? I’m afraid I’m mostly tech illiterate
2nd step: we need to map out who actually gets to vote for DNC leadership/membership
It’s more important to just build community. It will be a slow waking up for everyone to realize elections are no longer free and fair. A strong community will form a net to catch all these people when they finally do come around.
We built a strong community for/with Bernie… While we had a mission and leadership we got things done too, but as soon as the campaign ended and there was no more guidance, the community basically disintegrated… Community needs a plan and a mission…a mutual goal to work towards as a team… Plan the strategy and pass out roles and people will get on board and join the “community”
How the hell is the first step not changing how we vote so people can vote outside the two party system and still have their votes counted against republicans?
There’s a lot of green between today and sweeping election reform that defeats the duopoly. It’s certainly a step, but it requires many preceding steps to get to a point where that’s achievable.
Gotta get people into a position where they can make that change happen. Right now the Dems block such people from getting to such positions. Gotta replace the gate keepers with progressives or we’ll never get progressives into position to make changes.
Which policy stance are you referring to?
Pretty much all of them… But how about citizens united just to throw out a big one?
Citizens United was upheld in a 5:4 voted by a conservative scotus in 2010, to overturn campaign finance laws written and passed by democrats in 1995 and 2002, and dems actually tried to put back in place some campaign finance regulations with H.R. 1 For The People Act.
In fact, they passed it twice in the house, only for it to get blocked in the senate by Republicans both times.
Thanks for the info!
I guess as a start, the DNC can and should run big money/dark money/bribe free primaries. But they refuse to run free and fair primaries because they only want their corporately anointed shills to make it to the general election. Changing how the primaries are done should be top of the list when we take over the DNC and replace the shills with progressives.
Which Primary in particular do you think was unfair?
The first Obama primary was the last real one
So you think the DNC fabricated 30 Million votes in 2016?
The DNC needs the far right. Without it, their candidates would have to run on actual positions, rather than just “Vote for us because we’re not Republicans.”
That’s not really fair. Democrats voting records and policy agenda are always on point. The fact they can’t win elections to ensure their agenda is the problem.
Democrats voting records and policy agenda are always on point
Lol. LMAO, even.
Show me some democrat policy where they weren’t reaching across the isle that you fundamentally disagree with.
Nah
My point was that their voting record is absolutely not as good as you claimed it to be
What they say they’re for is entirely irrelevant of they don’t actually back it up with their actions
It’s not, you can look at the voting record. I’m pleading with you. Youve swallowed a load of bunk.
It’s not, you can look at the voting record.
It’s not what? This reads like you agree with me
pleading with you. You’ve swallowed a load of bunk.
You have no idea what my actual beliefs might be, I’ve only pointed out that your point was silly
Too many people on the left have the attitude of “no one likes him because he has no friends” – too stupid to see their own opinion is why the situation exists.
Coupled with being unable to accept they are ever wrong and the blindness to progress that has occurred. The left is its own worst enemy. The right hasn’t had to try painting us as ineffective in decades, we do it better to ourselves.
Dems have been right of center for my entire life. It’s only because we have such far-right propaganda about socialism and such in schools that this seems normal.
Edit: when I made some comment / argument on a position in debate class when I was 15yo, the teacher whispered “socialist” to the class. I didn’t even know what that meant. Whatever I said, it was sure to be about helping people and making the world more fair to end up with that comment.
The DNC hires the same consultants for running campaigns that the RNC use so naturally they will all veer right. The DNC has stopped trying to represent the people and wants to get their turn at the money funnel.
Go listen to the Harris campaign featured on pod save america. These losers think they made the right moves, every time, and have no vision for the future that does not acquest to the right wing agenda.
Fun fact, how many eagles they feature in campaign ads doesn’t dictate how right or left a politician is. Their voting history does. DNC as a whole is constantly veering left as polarization increased in the last 50 years.
“In my view, we need a strong Republican Party. We need a Republican Party that’s united.” - Joe Biden
Joe Biden, Primary Donald Trump As A Republican - SOME MORE NEWS (2019)
Well, yeah…
The only chance an unpopular neoliberal has of being president, is the threat that they’re the only other option to Republicans.
Otherwise they’d never get any votes.
So neoliberals want Republicans to be the biggest threat possible.
The context for that quote was a 2011 interview. The Obama administration was having trouble working with the Republicans because the Tea Party movement had gotten a lot of firebrands elected where working together with Democrats to effectively govern was unthinkable. The Republican House leadership since then has been weak, which has led to multiple government shutdowns.
This is politician-talk for “get your fucking shit together, you’re embarrassing everyone”.
Many layers to Dark Brandon /s
Just to be clear, it isn’t up to DNC committes or legislators to defeat MAGA. That’s our job. We have to go out and convince people to vote for the Democrats. Independents sometimes, too. We need to remove Maga from congress by defeating them in elections, us the citizens have to do that shit.
Stop blaming the solution for the problem we’re making, WE need to DO THIS. This is OUR JOB.
It’s absolutely the Dems job to not put up pathetic, loser candidates
Are you planning to run? If not, can it. It’d be a cold day in hell to find a dem worse than a GOP.
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Theres a word for people who criticize others but are no better themselves.
I am not a politician, so nice try with the hypocrite jab
Ever hear of a critic? Someone who critiques the work of others? You one of those people who thinks a film critic should also be a great filmmaker or else their opinion isn’t valid?
Same concept applies to politics
What?!
The entire point of the democratic party is to get it’s members elected.
And theyre a private party with no obligations to anyone else.
It’s the parties job to convince voters to vote. It’s not the voters job to always pick the lesser of two evils, especially when both parties use every opportunity to become more “evil” by siding with the wealthy more than regular citizens.
WE need to DO THIS. This is OUR JOB.
We’re not the ones who just wasted $1,500,000,000 and paid ourselves millions.
If it’s our job why the fuck are we paying people fighting against us to do it poorly?
I’m not paying you and you’re not paying me, but we can still volunteer, organize events, speak to our peers to get them to vote for whats right, for policy that helps them.
The party’s job is to vote on legislation. Its our job to get them there.
God forbid our public servants step away from the telethon hotline for a few minutes to actually do any fucking serving to begin with or anything…
But honestly, we’re gonna table that for a minute cuz I feel like whatever the fuck you got goin on here might be more urgent
Do you smell toast? You should absolutely google a list of stroke symptoms or something and compare notes real quick bro
Let me put it this way:
The people who are good at ceorcion and convincing others are probably the ones we don’t want in the position.
All I smell is your mom residue after I cleaned out her ass.
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But what matters most is the DNC chair election on 2/2/25.
And I don’t know about you, but I can’t vote in that, so I’m just waiting to see what happens
I’m optimistic though
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Sorry replied to fast:
The party’s job is to vote on legislation. Its our job to get them there.
I think the confusion is I’m talking about the actual party, the DNC.
And you seem to be talking about elected politicians who belong to the party.
Two completely different things.
Candidates for office get picked in Primaries. If you get rejected by the DNC to even be on a ticket then congrats you failed one of the lowest imaginable bars.
How exactly are they keeping them at bay?
We’re further from stomping it dead than ever before
They rule the fucking country
Keeping at bay? The Republicans have the DNC by the throat right now.
I don’t think so. If the DNC wants, they could easily win but they won’t try.
“We could easily win but we don’t want to for some reason”
:/
“For some reason”
pockets lined with benjamins
Lawmakers should be prohibited from having a net worth larger then the median house hold and required to log and post working hours, which should match the 40 hour work week the rest of us have to clock. These fucker’s have it too easy.
Well I’m surprised you aren’t aware that that “some reason” is politicians are cautious not to slight their wealthy backers.
Yeah the American flavor of left actually enables facism. Sadly it’s the same thing you see in places like Germany, UK, Canada, and France. France is relatively better.
Except for the fact that it’s France
We absolutely need to take advantage of the in-fighting, the DNC won’t do it, but… we can get a Rich Vs. Poor narrative going…
Haha, no we can’t. People enjoy the culture war way, way too much. Reddit and Lemmy are living proof. I see far more left vs right content than rich vs poor on here.
What is your definition of left-vs-right when rich-vs-poor is an explicitly left-wing framing? Are you so caught up in the culture wars to think left-vs-right is exclusively cultural?
We absolutely can
“What would the donors think!?”
Probably whatever you tell them to, provided they take the warning shots from the Apache choppers seriously 😁
Similar to how Netanyahu’s faction in Israel kept funding Hamas to justify their objectives on control of the state.
