As someone brand new to Lemmy I’m now learning a lot of horrible new info on myself based on arbitrarily signing up for a random instance.
I didn’t realize I was supposed to psychically know about lemmy lore before ever using it.
Please understand that plenty of us do not judge people based on instance at all. I genuinely don’t care.
there’s always going to be this stigma against .ml users due to how the .ml instance was formed and how the general userbase behaves.
the good news is that you are always free to switch instances if you find out that you dislike the instance you are currently on. while your posts, comments, and “karma” won’t transfer, you can transfer everything else such as the communities you follow, your settings, and your blocklist.
FWIW, I left .ml after about a year (and around a month ago) because there were just enough threads shit flinging and just enough posts like below, and just enough people who would dismiss any argument based on seeing .ml that it annoyed the shit out of me.
Not for how anyone at .ml ever treated me. (And FTR I’m not a communist)
So I’d say how much you worry about it is up to you, but switching instances is also pretty easy.
didn’t you know that signing up for an instance is actually evidence of thoughtcrime?
Every person who signed up for my favorite instance is gold, everyone who signed up for the one I dislike is actually a troll and must be de federated.
Just drop them like it’s hot, lose nothing of value. There is probably an instance local to your nation or you can use .world which is a generic nonspecific Lemmy except they defederate from Hexbear and Lemmygrad because those instances spam so much bot content trying to convince users to off their families and neighbors.
Most of us don’t judge users but we are internally vocal about our own social challenges.
.ml is a big instances and people coming from the old web find such attractive, it feels like “the official one” we are well aware.
The have been attempts to advertise avoiding those but were not exactly a well coordinated organization.
Regardless the ideology of .ml and others big instances pose a problem in centralized power. Lemmy works best as many tiny servers organically building a network of content and ideas.
All of Lemmy is accessible as long as your instance is federated (almost all) however some may defederate from those problematic big ones, limiting the posts you can see.
You wont lose much by changing instance right now. There is no karma or rewards associated with your account. You can also make multiple on different instances with the same user name so you have a backup if your main instance goes down.
Why/how are big instances a problem though?
the ideology of .ml and others big instances pose a problem in centralized power.
it’s not centralized, .world is considerably bigger and way more conservative, like it even has a splinter /c/196 populated with everyone who thought neo pronouns and basic levels of respect were too hard
it’s not centralized, .world is considerably bigger and way more conservative, like it even has a splinter /c/196 populated with everyone who thought neo pronouns and basic levels of respect were too hard
It’s funny that you still feel the need to spread this slander. Almost like you’re still upset that you spent months defending a blatant troll using an old conservative canard.
it’s not that hard to have basic levels of respect for people using neo pronouns, and if they’re trolling then let them slip up and get banned for that.
it’s just an observed pattern of behavior that .world has a lot of cis people who misgender people when they disagree with them like it’s an argument
it’s not that hard to have basic levels of respect for people using neo pronouns, and if they’re trolling then let them slip up and get banned for that.
Okay? Where does that play into your slander about the .world 196 being filled with people who don’t respect neopronouns?
it’s just an observed pattern of behavior that .world has a lot of cis people who misgender people when they disagree with them like it’s an argument
So now it’s not the .world 196, it’s .world in general.
So now it’s not the .world 196, it’s .world in general.
there was a pretty clear reason they left and went to .world, they fit the culture better there
I don’t even use /196 I was just watching from the sidelines for that one lol
So first it was you asserting that .world 196 doesn’t respect neopronouns, then it turned into .world has a tendency to have people who don’t respect neopronouns, and now it’s “I have a vibe that 196 doesn’t respect pronouns, but I don’t actually use 196”.
btw, are you still banned from the 196 on Blahaj? Of course, you don’t use it. :)
I include .world in the category “other”
For the record i am also starting to feel like sopuli is getting a bit crowded. Don’t get me wrong everyone is welcome i just think we can benefit from more independent niches and corners.
I strongly prefer having niches and area with different cultures rather than single large instances too. I just don’t think people shitflinging based on peoples instance and broad stereotypes about the instance culture is a helpful behavior for any community. Yet it’s extremely common for these type of two minutes hate threads because they’re just baiting a response.
Just remember that a lot of people on here also used to be the most annoying redditors. Their opinions are worthless.
Don’t worry much about your instance. .ml is fine, but Lemmygrad.ml in particular is a very strange place. Have a look if you want to read what non-religious people hostile to the United States/West think. Sometimes they make good points but they’re such fundamentalist assholes about everything.
tbf, if you’re not hostile to the US at this point, I’d seriously question your sanity. You don’t need to be a tankie for that.
Yeah even the biggest us global order defender libs have given up on the us.
You’re not expected to know.
Just sign up somewhere else.
All accounts are throw away.
You can always move to another instance. The instance I joined first is very lovely but they’re a bit heavy on defederation, so half of the comments are unavailable. It’s actually very nice, but fomo is too strong with me. When I feel depressed by humanity, I switch back to that one again and feel better, not seeing all the bullshit.
It takes nothing to create a new Lemmy account. And there are tons of instances that don’t have authoritarian admins.
The core community is mainly holier-than-thou FOSS types, and you’re surprised that it’s insular?
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Same
lemmy.ml, hexbear, and lemmygrad users verbally fellate contemporary and historical autocratic mass-murderers they deem to be “leftists”, or “great leaders and allies to the cause”, most recently being Vladimir Putin, Xi Jingping, and Kim Jong Un.
They are, in reality, bitch-made invertebrates who don’t even have the arm-strength to lift their Molotov-sippy-cups out of their premium-outdoor-brand backpacks, let alone form meaningful opinions on economics, political philosophy, or geopolitical reality.
Damn it all. They didn’t disclose how I was supposed to behave during the sign up process.
The downside of anything decentralized is that only community pressure reduces scams.
Yeah it’s a big trick because the ML owners are Tankie scum but they’re also the lead developers and I think the own the page which recommends instances.
JFC son this is not a roast this is a fucking napalm strike, god damn.
New user checking in, did you use the two asterisks or the pound sign?
Pound, check out Markdown syntax somewhere online. There’s a ton of different flavors, but most of the basics (headings/bold/italics/links/etc) are the same.
The asterisks work for italicized characters, but the c-squared(pound) sign didn’t. Maybe cause we’re on different instances?
Did you put a space between the pound and your text?
# should look like thisThank you! I’m still used to Reddit markdown.
So, tankies? At first I got attracted by the leftist/communist/socialist branding of the instance, but at the time the concept of fediverse was too complex for me when I first registered there so I deleted my account. I’m glad I did, then lol, supporting Putin, Xi, Kim just because they are “the left” is like supporting Hitler just because he is “the right”.
So I’m 100% on board with most of what you said but… What on earth does ‘bitch-made’ mean? It’s setting off my women-hating red flags.
I googled it and scrolled down and got some garbage about a man raised by women, so I have concerns.
Bitch-made, in the literal sense, as in “of ill birth from a mangy female dog”.
I have heard it used in common street language where I’m from from both men and women, gay and straight.
I appreciate your vehemence and the vigor with which you make your point, and also agree with your point. I only had issue with that particular insult because in my culture, it does initially read as misogynist. I figured I’d ask if you meant it that way because you probably didn’t.
I agree, I don’t particularly care about shitting on Putin or any other world leader, it’s the thinly veiled misogyny/whatever at ‘enemies’ broadly with people gleefully encouraging it which makes me respond negatively
Diva, we disagree on a lot of things, and we agree on others, which makes you (genuinely) so much fun for me to see in a thread.
I just told people on another thread that (because of my trauma background) I don’t feel anger very often, which means I appreciate folks like you (and conversely, maybe, Rusty here) because I see you leap straight to it with abandon.
I guess what I’m saying is, it takes all kinds to make a world, and I’m glad you’re in it.
Thank you, the feeling is mutual! 😊
hey look a post from a lib that’s so mad about internet forums not following the narrative that they can’t contain their homophobia and misogyny 📷
I’m gonna show your comment to my wife, and one of my best friends, at whose gay wedding, I will be speaking. Congrats! You’re in the speech! Let’s face it, we all need to laugh more in life, and judging by your reaction, I prefer to do it at your expense.
So please, cry harder, because I need more material!
🫶🏽🥂
‘jokes on you, I have gay friends’
-the person posting homophobia
maybe you should read your comments first at your hypothetical wedding, see how it goes over.
How the hell are you reading homophobia into the original comment?
'verbally fellating" is kind of the tipoff
the misogyny is the second paragraph
Everybody hear that? All fellatio is automatically gay. Anybody recieving or giving is gay, there is no such thing as a straight man and woman using their mouth during sex.
Follow Diva for more Kremlin certified intercourse tips, and if you don’t follow Putin’s demands you will be sent to labor camps.
It’s true. Pretty sure I read that on an Andrew Tate post before I left Twitter, I believe he is some kind of gay authority?
🙄
😇
This right here is why ML has the reputation it does.
ML has the reputation it does because most westerners believe the red scare propaganda.
most arguments against it by the aforementioned people have a shaky connection to reality at best.
As I’ve said before, it doesn’t matter if you suck dick or not. It does matter whose dick your sucking (proverbially), which in this case would be Putin, Jingping, et. al.
In the last year I saw way more people being supportive of genocidal libs like Biden and Harris, I judge those people pretty harshly too
maybe you should read your comments first at your hypothetical wedding, see how it goes over.
I intend to! What a perfect moment to highlight the exploits of edgelords on the internet. I’m sure I’ll be strenuously heckled and ostracized for condemning and deriding supporters of Putin, the CCP, and the DPRK on the internet there.
It’s in June, back home in Chicago, so it’ll be a joyous affair, of which you’re an expert of, no doubt.
I’m sure homophobic insults will go over great with the people you associate with.
There’s nothing homophobic about what I said.
I’m sure all your gay friends approve👍
More of this weird mythological fearmongering. Absolutely nobody on any of those sites believe that Vladimir fucking Putin is a leftist. You are pulling this assertion straight from an uninformed ass.
Ffs. Yes, supporting Russia’s invasion is a step too far. However, there is a valid point to be made regarding the West’s geopolitical maneuvers leading up to the invasion. NATO expanding east after promising not an inch further, supporting regime change in Ukraine, crossing more of Russia’s “red lines,” etc. Again, I want to stress that the invasion is morally reprehensible, but it’s clear why they did it from a geopolitical standpoint.
Nobody is talking about why Russia did what they did and realistically there’s nothing majorly wrong with NATO, it’s an alliance of mostly EU countries to band together to prevent another world war and to protect themselves from “another Germany” and Russia has done absolutely nothing over the past 20+ years to assure people that they won’t attack NATO EU countries. Quite the opposite in fact.
In any case, I have them parroting Russia narratives/misinformation here: https://lemmy.world/post/27314050 here: https://lemmy.world/post/27012640 and here https://lemmy.world/post/27288224 shows censoring of people even merely express that EU is also right to be concerned of Chinese and Russian militaries on their front lawn
I agree there’s nothing inherently wrong with NATO, but I think you have some of the NATO basics wrong. NATO was very much an anti-Soviet and then anti-Russian alliance. There wouldn’t be a NATO if there wasn’t a Soviet Union, that’s not up for debate. Russia wanted to join NATO at one point, ffs. Russia has done a lot fairly recently to show they won’t attack NATO countries. For example, they attacked Georgia and then Ukraine to prevent them from joining NATO. Clearly they’re afraid of NATO and don’t want to fight it.
NATO was very much an anti-Soviet and then anti-Russian
Right, because they were considered the biggest threat, if any country was going to go “Germany” it would be Russia/USSR.
Russia wanted to join NATO
That doesn’t prove anything, Russia excels at Intelligence programs, so if anything there were ulterior motives. “Russia. Crap military, fantastic intelligence agency” ~Some comment I saw here once.
For example, they attacked Georgia and then Ukraine to prevent them from joining NATO. Clearly they’re afraid of NATO and don’t want to fight it.
Are you serious? Attacking sovereign countries to show other sovereign countries in an alliance that you won’t attack them?
Yea no, he doesn’t want to attack NATO yet, he wants to slow down its growth because he wants Russias military growth to outpace it first. Then when he feels good and ready then will be the attack.
Unlike Drump, Putler isn’t stupid, he has a plan and he’s executing it. And a big thing about plans, you generally want to take certain actions at certain times
Okay great, we agree on the first quote. Why’d you use Germany as an example instead of Russia?
Second point. You think Russia is super sneaky or something? If they were, then how’d they lose Ukraine and had to invade? They’re clearly lacking when compared to the West.
Third point, yeah, I’m serious. Russia won’t attack NATO. They clearly don’t want to fight NATO, hence preventing countries within their sphere of influence from joining NATO. Russia would get wrecked even if they somehow won. It’s not worth it and if NATO was somehow weak enough that Russia could win, then they wouldn’t need to fight. They could coerce/incentivize without invading.
You’re very misinformed or just intentionally misrepresenting history here. If you think Russia was ever going to join nato in good faith even if allowed, you’re a silly child.
My dear downvoted friend! I think this perfectly answers @Vegeta@lemmy.ca question. If you have any viewpoint outside what is “political correct” you get downvoted, even just saying what the NATO Secretary General Jens “Warmonger” Stoltenberg gloated himself:
So he went to war to prevent NATO, more NATO, close to his borders.
So what are socialists to do? They can’t help it! And the only thing liberals hate more than fascists are socialists, especially the dirtbag left when they get a little snippy.
Absolutely nobody on any of those sites believe that Vladimir fucking Putin is a leftist.
I have seen evidence to the contrary.
Those wannabe champions of labor are temporarily-inconvenienced-dictators-in-waiting.
Then link it. You’re full of shit.
- Gathered all by the same dude
- Uses his own posts as evidence
- Considers anarchist instances tankie instances
So if I gather my own posts as a citation for my own claims that’s valid too?
Did you actually read through their links? Because if you did, I don’t think you’d be this confident.
I have. I stand by everything I’ve written in this post.
Well, I read through them, and they are definitely not making the point that y’all are trying to make. I assume you’re counting on other people not going through them.
I have seen evidence to the contrary.
where the fuck are you finding it? i hang out in these instances often and will rarely see it.
!meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works
Oh wait you’re on .ml and the admins have censored it from you so you’ll have to use this link: https://lemmy.world/c/meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works
The bad part is that they support him, whether or not they consider him a real leftist is less important
That was beautifully put.
Thank you.
You can see it for yourself.
Write a comment/post critical of china in any community from the lemmy.ml instance.
For example about the Uyghurs or the mass surveillance or whatever is your topic of choice.
See how much time it takes for them to ban you/remove your comment under their rule of “no xenophobia”.
Because even as the Earth burns and the Fascists march directly due to the capitalist’s class conquest, domination, and occupation, even many Americans who believe themselves to be politically leftwing think they can dunk on socialists and communists for their “silly” ideologies based in social cooperation and mutual social benefit where… Gasp… You can’t grind yourself to death under the toxic aspiration of attaining immoral levels of wealth to live larger than is reasonable within the finite shared habitat known as Earth.
They of course conveniently forget all the military actions the US has taken over the last century to destabilize nations that wanted to become such societies in order to keep their resource markets open to our capitalist’s exploitation.
Oh, and get ready for the hottest summer of your life… So far! 🔥🌎🔥
Socialism works in theory, but in practice they have not solved the problem of CIA death squads murdering their leaders and fomenting a coup.
A few kinda solved it, namely Soviet Union and Cuba. And libs will never forgive them for it.
No, they eventually took down the Soviets.
Cuba is next. 🖕🏻
LoL. Uh huh. Any day now…
this graphic is missing brazil in 1964 its missing literally every other country that isnt listed.
now that i think of it, it would probably be easier to list the countries the US didn’t destroy in central and south america.
Anyone who praises Xi Jingping, Vladimir Putin, Kim Jong Un, and
<insertAuthoritarianMurdererHere>as hard as I routinely see on lemmy.ml, hexbear, and lemmygrad is an awful person and deserves derision, contempt, and distrust. They can call themselves a “leftist”, “socialist”, “communist”, or a whatever-ist. Fundamentally, they’re edgelord bootlickers and temporarily inconvenienced dictators-in-waiting.“wHaTaBoUt USA, iSrAeL, nAtO, etc.?”
You can hate “The West”, their people, their foreign policy, and their economics.
Doesn’t mean you should suck dictators’ dicks because they’re “not The West”.
Liberals keep telling me to support the lesser evil in elections, but when I apply that to geopolitics they get mad…
If you really want to get them mad, apply it to pizza toppings.
Cool beans. Go support the “lesser” of two evils.
<insertAuthoritarianMurdererHere>Like Dessalines?
Doesn’t mean you should suck dictators’ dicks
Why the homophobic comment though
How is that homophobic? There’s no mention of the gender of the bootlicking edgelords.
You don’t have to be a man to suck dick.
I’m pretty sure there’s some homophobic roots in there. But that aside, why would anyone use cock sucking as an insult? Doing that would only discourage cock sucking, and who in their right mind would want less cock sucking in the world. Makes no sense.
why would anyone use cock sucking as an insult?
Probably because of the perceived power dynamic between the cock sucker and cock suckee.
There shouldn’t be a power dynamic under normal sucking conditions. Maybe if you have a power dynamic kink, then sure, do your thing, but regardless, people shouldn’t turn consensual sex acts into insults, that only discourages fun.
How does that make sense?
I can bite their dick off whenever I want, surely I’m the one with all the power here.
What if the dictator busts all your teeth out for a better time?
I’m sorry, if you really WANT to suck a dictators dick go ahead I guess…
It’s not about whether you’re sucking dick or not. It’s about whose dick you’re sucking.
wtf is that wrong with xi jingping
Well, to start, he’ll never relinquish power. According to him, he’s in charge forever. That alone is all one needs to thoroughly distrust and oppose.
thats not how chinese democracy works, and i’m not sure where you got that from.
he will be replaced when their “parliament” of sorts decides hes not doing a good job anymore.
Some of these events were egregious and deserve condemnation but tbh 56 “events” in the span of 59 years doesn’t seem all that bad. It’s not like they’ve conquered any of them. Even the Panama Canal was treated as working relationship and eventually the US pulled out of operating it.
US Military Bases are all over the world because those actually do stabilize the regions against outside threats. Without them, some of these smaller nations would not exist today.
Went there first since I consider myself a leftist. Seen multiple thirstposts for Stalin and the likes: pretty picture with a popular quote. Comments all in the realm of “yes daddy”.
I hate capitalism as much as the next guy, just don’t see a point of swapping it for an equally bad form of repression.
Something else I’ve not seen mentioned here is:
It’s pretty easy to see how the admins rule all of the communities while the moderators of those communities seem to be nothing more than flaccid ineffective grunts that do nothing but let it happen.
For evidence, check the modlogs and see that the bans/removals from .ml are always done by the same two people. Then, note how those two people don’t even moderate the communities the comments/bans were issues from. This is not a bias. It’s verifiable by simply checking the logs.
Then, note how most of the bans/removals don’t even violate the rules, but seemingly only hurt the feelings of the aforementioned admins.
They are a walled garden of propaganda-riddled rhetoric.
Additionally, many of the kids that habituate that place come in to other instances and stir pots, debate-troll people, and generally shit all over everything, and then cry and accuse everyone of bias when they get moderated by ACTUAL moderators.
The evidence here, lies in the modlogs of all the people complaints about how shitty .world and other instances are. Check for yourself. See that I’m not lying.
Lastly, I’ve not once ever posted, or commented in a single community of .ml, so unlike them- my bias is driven by real-world evidence, and not anecdotal reactionary temper tantrums.
So, hasn’t there been any discussion about unfedding from lemmy.ml and similar toxic instances?
Most places are defederated from grad and hex already. ML is essentially considered too big to fail so most sites won’t defed from them.
Lots. The admins won’t do it. No idea why but they won’t even address it.
I am not banned nor downvoted for telling people when they romanticize USSR or how USSR fucked my country.
I think I got banned from some trans group for calling their arrogance that I should care about every Dick and Harry enough to ask them about their pronouns.
I don’t give a fuck, will call you whatever you look like, and if it’s neither you’re gonna be called petal.
I have no clue where do you find the people you write about. Also, like most lemmy users I picked this instance at random.
if you can’t even muster up basic respect for other people do you think they should respect you or your sensibilities?
I don’t think I follow?
I think I misread, I thought you were complaining about being down voted/banned for being negative about the USSR
either way you should still respect other people by gendering them correctly. it’s really not hard and if you expect them to be respecting you in the conversation then it’s the bare minimum you should do
I think you still didn’t understood me correctly. I’m not against calling people what they ask me to call them, I’m against the idea that I should be proactively gathering that information.
that’s why a lot of people just put pronouns in name so you don’t have to guess, I think it makes it easier for everyone
Do you believe in learning people’s names?
You’re quite the class act, aren’t you?
Ahh shit. I chose this when Lemmy was young.
Account hopping costs nothing (it’s not like Lemmy has “karma”)
I made my first account on dotworld, but then dotworld started doing defederations I didn’t like. Now I’m in a furry-centric instance. :P
I guess I can’t notice the absence of something but the only defederations I know of are Hexbear and Lemmygrad and good fucking riddance because those instances just spam posts asking westerners to kill their family and neighbors in praise of the glorious leaders of the east.
They blocked the piracy comm
That was enough for me.
Because there’s not a lot of brain cells in .ml and they are confidently incorrect on a regular basis.
It’s not exclusive to ML though.
They’re fascist sympathizers. They like dictators.
I joined .ml because I didn’t want to join .world to avoid centralizing, I liked the idea of a Leftist server and a brief scan showed lemmygrad was notorious for tankies. I’m not actually ML. I don’t like dictators.
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This is why people don’t take you seriously
I take them seriously. Every user has the right to block others by association. If our instances don’t want to defederate from venomous instances we can just do it ourselves.
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You’re virtue signaling about blocking someone, you obviously wanted someone to take you seriously in response to it
That’s racism, but with instances. Instancism? Pretty weak imo. You should try to be better.
the genocide supporters view any dissent as intolerable, they’re basically the same as the fascists with the red hats except they liked Biden
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What?
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Yeah… I really don’t think that analogy fits this situation. Actually that’s really funny since the fundies on lemmygrad would absolutly agree with you that ACAB.
Police have a duty to enforce the law, and when they ignore other officers breaking the law they are failing their duty to society. Do you think ML users have a duty to control what other ML users post? That’s the mods/admins job, regular users don’t have any special privileges on Lemmy.
Blocking the instance doesn’t block the users
Why don’t you just block the whole instance instead of every user individually?
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Keep up the great work.
I’ve only blocked a few ml users but I made sure to block that instance.
Wow that’s super interesting. I just signed up for Lemmy last month and I just googled what to sign up for and .Ml was the first one that came up. Fuck tankies and fuck commies so I guess I’m definitely going to get lumped into them for now. Oh well
Fuck tankies and fuck commies
…said the citizen whose decaying world is governed by the sworn enemies of communism: fascists.
It’s almost like fascism and communism are both bad and being a true neutral Chad is the only way forward in life. Grill baby grill
Really committed to the bit, I see
Oh wow, I guess I’m on the same boat then. Signed up on the first instance I found back when reddit announced the API changes and did not realize.
See my stupid username? I signed up to 3 instances one of them the insufferable tankie hellhole called ML
Nah commies are cool, tankies aren’t
There is no form of commie in the world that libs won’t decry as a tankie anyway. Don’t bother playing into the word games.
Yea there is, the ones who don’t glorify and call brutal dictators “silly boy”
Believe it or not there are communists that aren’t authoritarian bootlickers. I feel bad for them having to overcome the tankies image problem
they are the same thing.
tankie is just a generic derogatory slang for leftist.
wikipedia says its a generic pejorative to define marxist-leninists. so, just as i said?
bonus points for the AuThoRiTharian trope.
How interesting the actual view from Wikipedia doesn’t line up with that at all🤔
Nope, it is clearly defined.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tankie
Tankie is a pejorative label generally applied to authoritarian communists, especially those who support or defend acts of repression by such regimes, their allies, or deny the occurrence of the events thereof.
Yeah but 98% of the self identified communists you find on Lemmy are actually just Tankies. Part of it is that most reasonable folk would rather call themselves a democratic socialist than a communist, as the latter has become entrenched in the philosophy of the USSR.
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Hide? Honestly I have no idea.
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One of those rare comments I would downvote if it was sarcastic or not.
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at this point i think you would be better off checking it out for a while and seeing if its for you. the answers here are extremely biased so far.
Because it’s not cool to be Malian /s
I don’t know. I’m on ml. Something about ‘tankies’? I dont bother thinking about those cliques and ppl being so clique-y, and nor should anyone else. immature behaviour tbh, but I haven’t received any teasing for being on ml so I think it’s a minority of people who really dislike lefties maybe?
Literal Russian propaganda
