Ocasio-Cortez took to Instagram after the Department of Homeland Security suggested they may pursue arrests of three Democratic lawmakers who partook in a protest outside of an ICE facility in Newark, New Jersey. Reps. Bonnie Watson Coleman (D-NJ), Rob Menendez (D-NJ) and LaMonica McIver (D-NJ) all attended the protest.
If he does that, all solutions should be on the table. Including second amendment solutions.
it’s long past time for violent solutions but we are all talk.
Ok so co bread passes something but what difference will it make. Trump and Co are breaking laws left and right with no consequences. They’re taking bribes, ignoring Judge’s ruling and there are no consequences.
It’s a a joke at this point.
stop pushing the goal post… 2a solutions were more than justified 2 two weeks after the clown took over the circus
Oh a big problem!? Like what exactly? What are going to do against a group of people who laugh at the supreme court and dont follow court orders? All they can do is send a strongly worded letter and say “Shame shame”. We are already a dictatorship these other branches have no power other than for optics.
Guillotine?
Now maybe I’m being pedantic here but this does seem to slightly suggest that the ordinary citizens being kidnapped off the streets, and sent to death camps…whoops, I mean ‘prison’, without any legal support is not a problem?
However the upper class fools doing absolutely fuck all to stop the ordinary people being abducted by the us’s Gestapo being fingered by tRUMP and his cronies is a step too far?
I like her. Don’t get me wrong. She seems to be a good one. Speaks her mind etc etc but if she, and the congress people, would’ve had a problem about the little guys being taken on broad daylight then there wouldn’t be any need to have a problem about her unpoors being fingered!!
Remember the German poem:
First they came for the poors but I did not speak out for I am not poor.
Then…many members of Congress have been fighting for the people that have been and are being targeted.
I’m so ready for the problem. Pleeeease let me be a problem on these evil Nazi Republicans.
except you got enablers like schumer and hakeem bending the knee to the megadonors.
AOC reminding Americans how to be brave. Penny auctions were a thing, which implied Americans used to be able to stand up to corrupt oligarchs and monied interests. Where is that solidarity and sentiment now? Do Americans need to be poor again altogether in order to rise up?
The key to the penny auction was intimidating speculators and outside interests from scooping up property being auctioned away.
Good luck intimating a Blackrock agent at a sheriff’s auction in the modern United States. You’re not going to scare off a trillion dollar oligarch and a paramilitary police state with pitchforks
The people of Worcester, Massachusetts prove that the powers-that-be should not be feared.
https://whdh.com/news/hundreds-rally-for-release-of-woman-arrested-by-ice-in-worcester/
if they were serious about fighting back, those agents wouldn’t have won. we can’t wait until they’re at our door. wars are not won be reacting. we have to be the hunters.
Now they would have the auctions online, and there would be no opportunity to intimidate them.
So you think being first against the wall is a better alternative, good luck with that buddy, keep up the good fight, or don’t,pretty pathetic outing on your part if I do say so
Sigh, have Luigi taught you nothing?
You can’t defeat an enemy that you refuse to fight.
I’m sure the Democrats will take every legal avenue available to them. However, if they run out of legal, nonviolent options, they’re going to be in a very rough spot because they don’t have any other arrows in their quiver.
Its the DNC, not the IRA. What else do you expect from them?
What else do you expect from them?
Very little.
I don’t expect AOC and her octogenarian colleagues to strap on an assault rifle and go full commando, but they do need to recognize what the Republicans are already well aware of: not all conflicts can be resolved peacefully.
The Republicans are more than willing to use all tools at their disposal to achieve their goals. If the Democrats are not, then they are putting themselves at a severe disadvantage.
That’s a good threat, but what happens when nobody backs it up? You just know that establishment Dems will sit it out and people are not going to do anything. So what then?
You had had a problem for decades. Stop pretending there’s some red line that you won’t allow them to cross.
You should already have a problem.
How many red lines have been crossed now? I like AOC but the Democrats and Congress aren’t going to do shit if they haven’t already.
Seven red lines. All of them strictly perpendicular. Some with green ink and some with transparent.
Trust me, I’m an expert!
5-D chess requires red surfaces and a few lines.
The problem is the old fart democrats and a few DINOs combine to make it so there just isnt enough of a voting block to actually make anything happen. It sucks right now but the whole point of congress is to require a majority consensus in order to pass legislation. Frankly the fact is it was structurally designed to be slow because the founders of the constitution were tired of King George and now we’re bearing witness to what happens when we need it to respond.
and shes like only 1 person, other than crockett, and maybe tim is doing anything different. all the other dnc do not want to lose thier seats, and or the grift train the gop has been living off of.
Nah, fuck this sentiment. Force a vote and be loud about every law that they break. If there’s a contingency of congress that are going to be obtuse about resisting fascism, then they can face the disgruntled mass of voters in the next election. If Dickhead Durbin hadn’t already decided he’s not going to run for reelection I’d be voting him and Tammy Duckworth out for compromising on Republican policies. Instead I’ll only get the pleasure of voting against Tammy in the primaries.
I used to like her, but she’s seemingly going career politician and is voting with lobbyists instead of advocacy groups and all her public statements are just talk. She’s becoming what she got into politics to prevent…
Not left enough for you?
Who is?
You say that like it’s a trap card.
Nobody in office right now is. The system will not tolerate it, and is built to keep them at the fringes.
No it’s what makes progressives impotent they spend more time purity testing each other instead of doing anything.
I’m not saying you’re lying, or wrong, but could you provide examples?
The “Take it Down” act. She voted with the party line despite warnings.
giving the powerful a dangerous new route to manipulate platforms into removing lawful speech that they simply don’t like. President Trump himself has said that he would use the law to censor his critics. The bill passed the Senate in February, and it now heads to the president’s desk.
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2025/04/congress-passes-take-it-down-act-despite-major-flaws
https://www.techdirt.com/2025/04/28/congress-moving-forward-on-unconstitutional-take-it-down-act/
I’ll say they’re lying and wrong for you.
She started losing me a few years ago, when claiming to be a socialist & pro-union, she voted to make it illegal for railroad workers to strike. Pro-union until their collective action might make life a little inconvenient, then knock their teeth out for the capitalists.
I haven’t really kept track of her since then.
They do. They can’t do anything through Congress, but they’re helping the ACLU get the cases through the courts. If they go after a member of Congress, that member can personally press charges on the administration. That is her point.
And then it gets escalated to the fascist Supreme Court and dismissed.
Law is a dead end.
That’s far from the norm. SCOTUS has upheld far more lower court rulings than overturned.
The ones that don’t matter to the regime are upheld so Democrats keep thinking the Courts will save them and they keep wasting time in legal battles instead of organizing in other ways. The ones that Trump actually cares about are overturned.
No, doomerism is
But they’re totally thinking of planning to maybe someday look into building a guillotine!
Nah, they’re going to call everyone else not doing that an enemy while continuing to do nothing at all, of not actually helping MAGA like they did during the election!
It’s a figure of speech. She’s aware.
So this thread has
- people upset the party with no power has no power
- people suggesting violence for others
- defeatists who haven’t digged their suicide hole yet
What’s new that I missed?
So far Trump needed a bunch of traitors among the Democrats to pass things such as his budget. Claiming the Democrats would have no power is a lie. They choose to use the power they have to enable Trump rather than to fight him. Otherwise they would have kicked people like Schumer out already.
the party with no power has no power
They have the same power that the other party manages to regularly fuck stuff up with, yet can’t seem to pull of anything even remotely close
Gonna keep pretending they’re not to blame or what?
Exactly my thoughts too. They have to get creative to do it. They need to adopt to the new climate.
I just figure people are venting. AOC posts aren’t really the right place, though. I like her videos, and she does give my students hope for what it’s worth.
They don’t need hope. They need to realize if they don’t fight now there won’t be a future for them.
Rebellions are built on hope.
Hope alone isn’t enough, but nobody shows up to fight without hope.
You’re right. But they also need hope alongside what you said. Specifically, hope that there’s a future to fight for and that they’re not alone.
Don’t lie to them.
Why are you wasting time here instead of fighting then
defeatists who haven’t digged their suicide hole yet
The Lemmy trifecta
Don’t forget people denying a member of Congress was caught on video commiting simple assault and obstruction of a federal law enforcement officer.
Nobody is above the law. There are procedures for oversight and bypassing those procedures are no different for a member of Congress than a typical citizen committing the same acts outside of the same position. Bypassing lawful procedure is not okay, regardless of political affiliation, and should not be tolerated.
LaMonica McIver is up for re-election in 2026.
There was no assault in the video; further, congress people have every right to enter and examine detention facilities and those ICE agents were illegally refusing them entry.
I get that just going “THAT’S ILLEGAL!!!” Is meaningless and quaint but it still needs to be pointed out when it happens.
Bypassing lawful procedure is not okay
Like how ICE is just straight up kidnapping citizens?
What citizens have they kidnapped?
The mother who was deported took the child with her by choice. It is horrible that the child is sick but the claim of citizens are being kidnapped is misinformation. If citizens are being deported I have not seen an example of that but if you see an example please let me know.
The mother who was deported took the child with her by choice.
Evidence?
I read about it in a news article. I think it was an interview with the head of ICE on Meet the Press.
AOC 2028. Fuck the republican traitor filth.
Fun to think about, but American males are not ready for a strong female presence in their lives. They can’t handle it.
I would love for AOC to show the world her fire and Americans some grace. Not going to happen with the lot in America right now sadly.
Male here. Hillary was probably the worst female option who’s ever ran for president.
Kamala wasn’t much better, and felt like a rush job to prevent Biden being an easy sweep.
Not that I’m advocating for trump in either case. I’m just saying its like the old south park joke of douche vs turd sandwich.
Only difference is that AOC is actually a good choice. Whereas Hillary and Kamala were never good choices.
I would fully support an AOC run. I would vote FOR AOC. Whereas with Hillary and Kamala it felt like it was voting against trump by selecting “whoever the opposition is”.
Which for the record, isn’t a gender thing. Biden was also “not trump” on the ballots in 2020. You didn’t vote FOR Biden. You voted AGAINST trump.
Hillary likely would have made a great moderate president. She was a “bad choice” only because Fox News attacked her for 20 years.
Downvotes but she was a cool hippy chick once. Neoliberal was the game she chose to play and it might have worked if she played more on the radical side
I don’t know if American men are ready for it, but neither Harris nor Clinton were strong presidential candidates, and not because of their gender.
but neither Harris nor Clinton were strong presidential candidates, and not because of their gender.
That’s a bunch of bs. It was sexism, pure and simple.
Clinton was an accomplished lawyer and accomplished civil servant in her own right, having spent her entire life in service. As former first lady, she had exclusive access to the inner machinations of the presidency (I’m not saying that being the spouse of an elected leader alone qualifies one for that position (see Republicans’ voting for dead candidates and swapping the deceased’s spouse in after the election)), but rather adds to the cumulative total. She was also the head of the state department.
And because of a successful attack at a foreign embassy in a hostile nation, that became a millstone around her neck that trumpers bashed her for, capping off an otherwise stellar career.
Against that orange buffoon, on paper, she should have mopped the floor with his toupe’
Harris was VP, senator, Attorney General. She didn’t have the cv of Clinton, but she was a woman, and she had a foreign sounding name. I worked as an election inspector (not the jackoff people who challenge voter’s ability to vote, but the people who conduct the election at the local jurisdiction level). The election room as a smallish town hall, and many couples came in to vote together. The amount of people who were speaking loud enough to be overheard saying things like: “never vote for a woman” or making referring to “white pride” was shockingly scarry. They wanted to be heard.
Why, yes, I live in a racist, misogynistic hellhole - how’d you guess?
The idea that they lost only because of sexism is the most delusional shit I’ve ever fucking heard, oh my God
Both were trying to cater to people on the fence and lost the vote of people further left in that pursuit…
The amount of people who were speaking loud enough to be overheard saying things like: “never vote for a woman” or making referring to “white pride” was shockingly scarry. They wanted to be heard.
None of those people were ever going to vote Democrat
Personally, I don’t think we should allow any men to be president. Just of think of how absurd it is. We keep electing a bunch of testosterone-addled rage junkies to be in charge of the nuclear button. Men are just too emotional to be president, or even leaders in general. They’re just as likely to take off their pants and start waiving their dicks at each other as they are to come up with something that even meets the definition of “policy.” Electing a man a leader is like electing a rabid inbred gorilla hopped up on PCP as a leader.
Men belong in the home. That’s their rightful place. That way they don’t have to spend too much time seeing other men, which only inspires rage reflexes in them. You let two men meet and they start beating their chests and trying to assert dominance over each other, usually while stripping off clothing and pulling out firearms. Men have no place in politics, business, or any field that really matters. Men should be kept in the home where they can’t do too much damage.
But a man as president? Comically absurd. Literal clown world. How could such irrational, angry, emotionally fragile beings ever be elected a leader?
How can you trust someone who doesn’t bleed for their country once a month?
SeemsLegit.jpg
That’s a bunch of bs. It was sexism, pure and simple.
The cry of the Democrats addicted to losing elections
Clinton was part of the Clinton Crime Family and Harris was a cop. Terrible choices.
Clinton Crime family? Lmao. Clinton’s are street thugs compared to the Trump Crime family.
Yeah but the Democratic base is less likely to turn out for criminals than the Republican base.
Oh I am NOT denying that hahaha
it was soely sexism, the fact you dont think that means your also kinda sexists too.
You need to rephrase that as “falsely ex-MAGAt American males who will immediately vote Republican next election despite claiming they were moving a sub from it for our sympathy and so they wouldn’t face the consequences they deserve” aren’t ready…
People are downvoting you, and as much as I would like it to not be true, you are right. There’s too many male dems I’ve talked to that didn’t vote for Kamala because she was a woman. It was shocking, and disappointing to say the least.
So I can’t, in good conscience, downvote you, because you’re not wrong, as much as I don’t like it.
Hell, plenty of American women aren’t either.
My brain has a conniption whenever I try to see how women could vote against other accomplished successful women, their own interests, and instead for a misogynistic ugly orange rapist. Like I’m done trying to understand the stupidity. 🙄
Stupidity in some cases, but indoctrination in a lot of cases.
The same way poor people keep voting for right wing parties
What a sweeping generalization!
Maybe stop with the strawman argument and you’d get a bit further. Myself, and I’m sure plenty of others, are really sick of being painted as a villain before even entering the conversation. All you’re doing is furthering the divide, not shortening it.
I see it all over Lemmy - angry liberals painting the opposition as vile and inhuman. Making all these strawman up. Makes other liberals not want to associate with you. Makes you seem just like the people you vilify.
You want a society of love and acceptance? Start with yourself. Create a happy accepting vibe around yourself and make it grow from there. But don’t salt the ground and then wonder why nothing grows.
Yeah no, ICE deported a four year old with stage four cancer.
If you support the felon rapist who’s spent every single decade of his life an entitled shit destroying as many fucking lives as he could…
Nah, if you voted for Trump that is the same in my book as supporting Hitler. Supporting Trump makes you a fascist, and there is only one cure for fascism.
Nah
your comment is exactly what conservatives say " if you argue against a conservative than you are no better than they are" get over yourself.
Do you want to stand for something or win elections and progress? I dont care about race or sex, just like you don’t, but that’s not the reality of America today.
I like the fantasy and I wish that’s where we were at, but please just give me a boring middle aged white guy. The people who love AOC the most apparently just aren’t going to show up at the polls in numbers. It’s a problem we’ve been talking about since I was the one not voting and we were blaming it on the way they treated green party candidates (I know, probably even longer). There’s a new excuse every few years, but there always is one and it doesn’t look like it’s changing any time soon.
Please, let’s throw the old people a bone and give them an easy choice so we all don’t have to suffer again. I hate having to think about ‘electable’ too, but let’s just do that astronaut guy they were pushing for Harris’ running mate, they’d love that guy.
I feel like those people are never going to vote though. The communists and socialists will be too busy going on about bourgeoisie this and that and won’t be satisfied unless Marx himself is running because no one else is good enough. And the anarchists will go going “why should I take this opportunity to fight fascists if I’m not getting my perfect anarchist utopia out of it? Don’t vote, it’ll go against your perfect idealism.” Just like they did this last time around.
I think that Bernie Sanders showed us that people who don’t have ideological sticks up their asses will be willing to vote for something better that gets us all a little bit closer to utopia, even if it’s not perfect yet. And as a non-American, I think AOC has that same infectious energy. But of course, as a non-American, I might also be underestimating how much Americans hate women and brown people.
She’s great- but she’s not the revolutionary leader you need to do what’s necessary. She’s the person you need AFTERWARD to pick up the pieces.
Why doesn’t she already have a problem? I was hoping AOC would be leading the charge, but she’s more like a background character.
This screams “it doesn’t matter until it’s me.”
I’ll radicalize with her.
I’m willing to chip in for t-shirts:
Can we stop doing anti-trans “I identify as…” jokes?
They started as pro trans.
Respect my trans homies before I make your pronouns was/were
Can I get THAT on a t-shirt? 🤔
Oooo I like that one
“suggested” they “may pursue”… wow. Did they fire six shots or only five? Y’know, in all that excitement, I kinda lost track myself.
This is trump’s final chance before he gets SLAMMED.
