Not going to happen
I so badly want this to happen, but it’s not going to happen
“We put all our politicians in prison as soon as they’re elected. Don’t you?” “Why?” “It saves time.” -Terry Pratchett, The Last Continent
After the election results and looking at Elon for past few months, I’m starting to think Trump isn’t the problem. It won’t matter if he stays or not. USA has got bigger knives in it’s chest.
STARTING to think? Honestly I don’t even hate Trump anymore. It’s like hating a shark or a snake or something. He’s just doing what he does. It’s the ~75 million people who enable him by voting for him that are disgusting and terrifying right now. Half of America is the problem, and he is just a symptom, and it is a BIG BIG BIG problem for the whole world.
I’ve been trying to fathom the amount of misinformation out of here that has accumulated in people’s minds. There are people that I know and love, otherwise intelligent good people, that are thankful that Trump got elected. They believe that everything wrong with America and the world is due to “the Democrats”. And they’ve been that way since before 04.
There are also people I know (many of whom are relatives) who seem like normal people but then support Trump and all of his policies. I want to think they’re not horrible people and that they’re just brainwashed, but recently I’ve been seeing some of my friends jump on the alt-right bandwagon and posting extremely racist stuff to be “edgy”, even after leaving the far-right culture bubble they lived in. This is the sort of stuff that even when I was still a conservative I would never have thought it would be okay to promote, and I grew up in the same environment they did so it seems like they know perfectly well what they’re doing. After all of this I’m starting to think that maybe many of them are genuinely terrible people.
I’ve been thinking about this a lot lately. Recently I looked up what has been going on in various European countries, and it seems like with a lot of them there’s an extreme populist party with about 20% control, there’s a less extreme party that’s still queerphobic and anti-abortion but more willing to compromise with maybe about 15% control, and then there’s more liberal but economically conservative parties parties making it so the total of economically conservative parties including the above two is above 50%. These countries also have actual progressive and even some left-wing representation in government.
Contrast this with the US, which only has a populist party and a socially liberal but economically conservative party that a bunch of people are brainwashed to think is literally communism. There is very little progressive representation even though the country has a significant number of progressives, and people who want less government regulations are voting Republican regardless of their stances on social issues. Meanwhile polls say that opposition to LGBTQ rights and abortion is probably around 30% which is not much different than the European countries I looked at. So I think half the problem is that democracy in the US is basically dysfunctional.
However, 30% opposition to LGBTQ and abortion rights is still fucking bad, and I’m still trying to figure out whether it is the propaganda to blame or the people themselves. Additionally racism and xenophobia had been on the rise everywhere and has basically gained popular support at this point so democracy clearly isn’t going to solve this.
This.
We have an absolutely wrecked educational system that nobody can think anymore. People have either working lives that occupy them 99% of the time and they can’t make informed decisions, or are suffering from 10-second attention-spans and can’t focus on any political messages past “I am the greatest, vote for me” and the fact that is the literal message that won an election, should terrify us all.
If we have a really big challenge, like a novel new virus or disease, in our current state with our current leaders, millions would di- oh, wait, what? I’m being told this already happened.
Well, if something else really bad happens then we’ll have similar or worse causalities.
Fix the 99% working lives. If Dems can’t get us a living wage back, what the hell are they good for?
Yeah you can absolutely forget about any meaningful climate change action now, education, health care, things like that.
The environmental impacts are going to be awful. With Chevron stripped and full gop legislative control it’s going to be free reign for companies to pollute whatever they want.
A false flag to enable emergency powers blessed upon the worst of us all.
Yeah he’s not going to jail. The bastard is just going to keep laughing at us every day. But he’s only got maybe 20 years to go. I would be surprised if 10. He’s basically 20% rotten McDonald’s M double cheeseburger. We might have to deal with princes Vans instead of Maybe one of the other trump princesses. Who knows.
All we should do is wait and feed him Peanuts or pretzels. He’s bound to choke in one of those things. Either that or the sodium.
He’s 78. There’s zero chance he makes 98.
I doubt he’ll make it to the end of his term. He’s not a fit man.
Given how badly his mental state is doing right now, I wonder if he will even survive his term in office.
Same. I wouldn’t be surprised if he was 25th’d a couple years into his presidency due to his declining mental state. But then we get Vance in charge. Which might be worse.
20 years is way too generous. I put my money on 5 - 7 years left.
Beautiful article. I’m feeling better already about everything really.
Wow, we didn’t know what to expect in 2013.
still 20 years! Average USA lifespan for man is 75 year. He should already be dead by now.
Yes money help with living longer, but with his bad health hygiene it should cancel out.
Average mean means middle…half the population is still alive at average age unfortunately. But fortunately the whole age range is non-linear because nobody gets to be 150 years old. More like 1 person in the world might get to be 125 years old if they never smoked, never had even looked at a MacDonalds burger on TV etc.
Jean Clemente (the oldest human ever) smoked cigarettes (she didn’t inhale) and ate pounds of chocolate at a time. The oldest Canadian woman ever smoked until she was in her 90s (she lived to be 116), and plenty of other people who lived to be 100 also had ridiculously unhealthy lifestyles but still lived long.
For Trump, his father lived to be in his 90s. His grandfather died younger because he was a victim of the Spanish Flu in 1918. We don’t know how long he will live, sadly. But I hope he will die of natural causes soon.
Life expectancy depends on wealth. What’s the average for rich people?
Same as some peasant in any civilized country with universal healthcare. Something like 83 or so.
Nope. In countries with universal healthcare life expectancy sadly is still dependent on wealth. Better food, better doctors, lower chance of having a hazardous job, better ability to rest instead of rushing back to work etc etc.
(i.e. Germany: About 5 years on average between poorest and richest.) Inequality is bad for us, everywhere.
20? Isn’t the orange turd 80 or somewhere close? Frankly I wouldn’t be surprised if he died of a natural death soonish
He’s 78. So in two years he’ll be 80 and in Just a teenager he’ll be 100. Jimmy Carter is 100. 0.03% of the population in the US make it to 100. The population was recently ~346,098,610. So he could be 1 of 10 million people who becomes 100.
According to stupid Google only 60 people get to be 110. Thus Trump’s maximum life is around 20, but that’s being generous. 10 is more probable. But hopefully any time now. Like a really bad sneeze while he’s having his Coca-Cola in the morning ☺️🌄.
Evil has a way of hanging on, so let’s hope that doesn’t happen here. Strom Thurmond hung in there until 100, and was in office at that age.
The expected lifespan for someone his age is about another 9 years per the SS actuarial data.
I’d assume any sentence for time to serve would be suspended until after his term.
That said, it would be very funny to be in a time where the US President could not visit certain states because he would be arrested.
It is not actually legal to do this. A state can’t interfere with the functioning of the federal executive branch. Most constitutional scholars would say the sentence just gets suspended until the end of his term.
It wouldn’t effect the functioning of the federal system. You seem to forget he spent the majority of his time in his idiotic faux gold penthouse or at Mar a lago.
Dumping him into white collar prison wouldn’t change any of that and fed prisoners can still get temporary hardship/work release anyway.
What if he needs to make an international trip?
Flight risk. They can come here and work through normal visitation hours.
His parole officer would have to allow it. 😆
(Not going to happen, but it would be SO funny if it did.)
Doesn’t it say they found a loophole? I figured that what they meant.
Interesting.
When a rich man is sentenced to prison, and then actually has to go to prison, it’s called a “legal loophole”.
My first thought was “So we call ‘following the law’ a loophole now?”
If the law meant a fucking thing, he would have been in prison decades ago.
WHY did it take this long to get around to it? So bizarre.
In a word: Garland.
In two words: Merrick Garland
In three words: fucking Merrick Garland
In four words: fucking Merrick “Slowclown” Garland
In five words: establishment hack as attorney general.
'The voters are going to reject him and then we don’t have to go through all this messy business if prosecution."
It’s the moral elevation of inaction for its own sake above action for any reason.
This country will never, ever prosecute a president because it would set a precedent of holding our politicians accountable. Ain’t happening. We’ve all been watching Pelosi do insider trading for decades.
Except he’s already been prosecuted and found guilty. This is the sentencing. Now the question is will New York state sentence and imprison him before he takes office.
He’s just not going to show up and will stay in FL till after inauguration. If you think they’re going to hold politicians to the same standard as you and me you’re incredibly naïve.
It’s gonna be interesting because we are clearly at a level of manipulation where the sheer act of being held accountable will 100% be called persecution. From here on out any attempt to hold a politician accountable will be met with resistance and end up being theatre.
As reprehensible as it is morally, Congresscritters can STILL legally trade based on their insider info they get from their Congresscritter jobs. So there’s really no crime to prosecute. There SHIOULD be, but there isn’t.
Politicians doing insider trading is not limited to Pelosi, and somehow not illegal. At least Congress has more ethics standards than courts, but it’s an extremely low bar and unreasonable to be held to such lower standard than the rest of us
The “somehow” isn’t a big leap… The people who would have to outlaw it are the exact ones benefitting from the broken status quo, same as it ever was.
Insider trading is actually legal for congress though. You’re point is valid for systemic issues but this specific one boils down to the individuals involved. There is no precedent for this, no one can really say the judge did anything improper. It would likely be a boon for the governor in a blue state and who knows the DA ambitions.
I’m mostly making counterpoints than a prediction though. I still don’t think anything major will happen.
Yes, the second most pressing concern in everyone’s lives after a second Trump term—Nancy Pelosi’s husband
No one is saying that. It’s just blatant corruption in front of the entire country for everyone to see.
Hey, you drew the comparison. The whole world of corrupt US politicians to choose from. Don’t like the conclusion people draw when they read exactly what you’ve written? Just write something else lol
I’m concerned about Pelosi’s husband! Didn’t he get attacked by a dude with a hammer? I wouldn’t wish that on anyone
Faaallllseee equivalennnnnceeee
Yeah fucking right. Jesus Christ. We need to just accept that it’s over. He’s never going to face any consequences and NY is not sending anyone to the White House to drag him out…
Realistically probably not. However it’s best to not give up hope and call out those who aren’t enforcing the law.
If there’s enough fuss it’ll go down in history as straight up corruption instead of some squabble of technicalities.This is what the law is. It’s never applied to rich pale bros.
What about orange pieces of shit?
Survey says no
…or rich pale chicks…or rich bros that aren’t pale…or rich chicks that aren’t pale…really the being rich is the important part. Let’s you buy good lawyers and also judges or legislators if you need to.
not with that attitude, get out on the streets already
But (as a European) it would be funny tho
Yea when hes dead, Redditors will go “We should resurrect trump to torture him”. 🤣
For the shit he’s done, they wouldn’t be wrong.
So you’d resurrect hitler and risk him escaping taking control of the world again just for the chance of satisfying your urges to inflict harm? Hell nah, let dead pieces of shit stay dead.
Say what you will about Hitler, but at least he killed Hitler.
supreme court will toss all these out. Though it would be funny.
They literally couldn’t. But he isn’t getting that sentence anyways.
They will say that executive authority is impeded by any sentence and defer it at minimum
So build him a special jail so he isn’t impeded. Not that logic ever really mattered on planet earth.
NY was already probably going to give him a suspended sentence.
This is state level, supreme court can’t do a thing. Then again, his Jesus cult could nuke New York or something, nothing would surprise me at this point.
SCONY or SCOTUS? Unless SCOTUS rules the laws unconstitutional (which I doubt even they’d do), it’s not their place.
Don’t put anything past them.
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That’s 100% not going to happen. As much as it should.
Fun to think about, but I can promise that Trump will never see consequences for his actions. Everything just miraculously slides right off of him.
Like a convcted felon president elect is going to give 2 shits about new york, or laws in general.
He’ll get a judge to pause all this shit until later. A good lawyer knows the law, a great lawyer knows the judge.
A great Russian Mafia knows the judge’s and prosecutor’s kids 🔪
And where the nearest window is when they refuse the tea
Yeah, he’ll just get his 6/3 Supreme Court majority to rule that the president is also immune to state crimes like they already ruled for federal crime.
LegalEagle on YouTube says it’s basically done. He will never see jail.
First presidential act from prison: kill the judge. Second: de himself regardless of law.
Every time there’s talks about it I think about The fall of the house of Usher
He’ll just stay out of New York until his coronation
Cheat codes
Well NY can certainly sentence him, and he can potentially serve a custodial sentence. But I suspect that even if the judge handed him time in prison it wouldn’t be four years and would almost certainly be appealed or delayed to be mostly irrelevant. But I would dearly, dearly, DEARLY love to see this asshole go to prison and preferably never come out.
I’d bet either just fines, a suspended sentence or if there is a custodial sentence that it will explicitly be delayed not to begin until Jan 21, 2029. Pretty sure there’s something somewhere about not being able to use law enforcement powers to interfere with the ability of Congress/the Presidency/SCOTUS to do their appointed jobs. Otherwise the Chief of the Capitol Police would be the most powerful legislator in the country, by simply holding legislators he opposes for questioning any times there’s an important vote.
Can he pardon himself?
As I understand it, this is a state case where he can’t. Federal pardon powers extend only to federal cases.
From federal crimes yes.
That’s wild that you can just pardon yourself. I’m pretty sure that kind of thing was even in the Magna Carta ages ago but it’s a thing still in 2024
It’s wild the president can pardon anyone. It completely bypasses the legal system and gives the executive branch too much power.
Yeah, the whole idea of having a president, and not a king, is that they are not above the law too. We saw how that idea was ensured by the supreme court.
I’m convinced that even on the stuff we know and has been proven in court about Trump, would have been enough to dethrone a European monarch, possibly violently, back in the 1800s, but Trump’s supporters and most of the u.s just allows it and roll with it in 2024
I mean, it is fun to joke about. However, I doubt it. Even as late at the 19th century monarchs were blatantly having rivals imprisoned, and executed. Having large groups of people just rounded up and imprisoned, and/or killed, were stealing large amounts of wealth from the tax payers, and just so, so, much shit. They only really ever found themselves suffering legal consequences when other aristocracy decided they needed to go, or that someone else would be better. That, or if material conditions go so bad widespread revolt broke out, and mob justice was served.
Only even hypothetically for federal crimes. State crimes aren’t federal jurisdiction and he has no pardon power over them. Usually pardon power over state crimes is in the hands of the governor.
He can for J6 and the documents case. But not for this or the Georgia case.
Yeah, won’t happen
Also, if it did, then what? You’ll have a Jesus death cult in charge of nukes. At least you can control trump by brown nosing him, the cult just will destroy the world to bring back jesus
The legal loophole is called maximum sentence.
But no, he was always going to get something like 2 years supervised parole.
