I find it incredible that global warming is skyrocketing, debt is skyrocketing, we have all sorts of existential political and health issues and the thing people worry about is…
Trans people in bathrooms.
Like, what the heck?
Even if I was anti-trans (and I am not), why would I lose so much sleep over that? What’s gonna happen, I see what looks like the opposite sex in the bathroom and my head explodes?
Even racial segregation made slightly more sense because actual societal segregation was the existing state, precedent, and public consensus (as horrible as it was) but… trans people are already mixed into the public?
If you had transition surgery and therefor you couldn’t make use of a urinal, could you make the argument that the bathrooms are not fair and equal for you and therefor unconstitutional?
Democrats should hire a staffer to stand outside of the women bathroom at the capital and have them accuse every GOP women of being a man before they go to the bathroom.
They want to play these games? Let’s show them what their crazy looks like
Need a big scary FTM trans man with a beard to loiter in the women’s washroom because they have a vagina downstairs.
It’s all about the “biology” right??
Shows who paid attention during school. You can have XY chromosomes and be born with a vagina, no genitalia, or both. You can have XX chromosomes and be born with a penis, no genitalia, or both. So biological women doesn’t mean anything in the context they are using it.
They are just using whatever word was written on a birth certificate. This doesn’t reflect gender (that’s in your head), sex (genetics). Basically they are using genital appearance at birth as a proxy for gender. And assuming it was recorded correctly.
Unisex bathrooms or bust
With actually private toilets. Let everyone defecate in peace. We can share the sinks if we must.
If bathrooms were properly designed instead of having half walls that don’t even meet, I doubt people would care nearly as much.
They’d find a reason to care because this is about maintaining patriarchy and queerphobia.
I was in a bathroom the other day with a messed up toilet paper dispenser. I didn’t notice until a woman sat in the stall next to me and I turned my head to just see full cleavage perfectly centered through this massive like 5x5 inch gap. Most uncomfortable pee of my life.
Worth noting, this was a massive bathroom with like 30 stalls and 3 people currently in it and she chose to sit right next to me :(. It ain’t just urinals, guys.
I love the way Alamo Drafthouse in Texas did this. Each stall is a fully walled environment and there’s a long sinkway for everyone. No one gives a shit that it’s male and female together.
There is or was a bar and restaurant in Pensacola FL that tricked people into going into the wrong restroom if you weren’t paying attention and/or drunk. It was funny and there was no panic or outrage.
I’ve seen restaurants do the same thing. Nobody looks at anyone twice. It’s perfect
She wants to diddle kids and this is her path to doing so
Menopause is going to be her karma.
So funny what issues the conservative fossil fuel media comes up with to avoid any climate actions. People discussing genitals before extinction definitely show how Darwinism was right. Humanity will die of stupidity.
Problem is - media posts these images of trans women looking like women. And honestly - I have no issues with genuine trans using it.
But what this trans bathrooms opens up - is a very bad legal loophole.
Im being a huge guy - can go to the women bathroom if I say I believe I’m a woman. There cannot be a proof - right? I don’t have to be dressed like one, I can just be dressed like a man, I can be a super dirty trucker man who “believes being a woman”.
People will exploit this.
To what end? To pee? Who cares? Go ahead. When the line’s too long at one, people regularly duck into the free restroom in an emergency anyway. If you have to go, just go.
If someone goes into a public restroom with the intention of harming someone inside, it doesn’t matter what gender any of them are, or what they look like, or which bathroom it is. None of that matters. Don’t go into a bathroom with the intention of harming someone. That’s wrong. The end.
I can be a super dirty trucker man
Yes you can!
Im being a huge guy - can go to the women bathroom
OK
People will exploit this.
Do you? Who is currently stopping you?
Why would someone who wants to batter, rape or abuse another person be stopped by an unlocked door with a little cartoon sign on it?
Who stopping?
If I try that now - I’ll get beat up if anyone sees me . Most likely cops called. Most likely immediate sex offender.
But if it’s a trans bathrooms - the people that try to beat me up will be in the wrong and arrested for being transphobic.
I’m so glad no trans person has ever been beat up because they were forced to use their birth-gender bathroom
That’s total bullshit and you know it.
Hi, trans person here.
So what gets left out of these arguments a lot or misunderstood about being trans is not that this is a ‘belief’ based system. We are very individually aware of what we look like to other people and how we are being “clocked” by others. Take me, I am trans masculine but bodywise I have opted not to transition because of specific reasons. I don’t automatically feel comfortable using the gent’s washroom.
All of us are looking to find the path of least resistance in this binary that wasn’t designed for us. Trans women I know who don’t seemlessly pass often get stares regardless of what bathroom they use but while women might be horrible, going to the mens means that transphobes can follow you to a secondary location to assault you. If there’s an individual third non gendered option that’s often what we use because for me, I feel weird about being in women’s spaces even if they don’t hassle me and my clockable trans grildfriends don’t have to deal with the anxiety of other people staring.
If I did go on hrt though it would be a different story. I, like all of us, want to use the option that makes everyone around me the most comfortable and the whole thing pass by without any incident.
Under a system that allows trans people to make the call to use what allows us to make the call about what is safest and the least path of social resistance you really don’t find trans people who look like big scruffy men entering women’s washrooms and claiming to be a women because that isn’t a path of least resistance move. It’s not that we “believe” we are our preferred gender and just automatically switch to everything right away. We are very aware that we do not fit in but why we’re doing what we are doing is that our brain looks at our natal sex characteristics as abhorrent which means visually speaking we do dress so that other people can pick up on our deal and don’t keep reminding us in language.
Non-binary folk are kind of the standouts but generally speaking we make the exact same sort of social risk assessments and do our business in the bathroom that other people tend to clock our gender as, not nessisarily the one we feel closest aligned with.
So really under a situation where bathrooms are a free for all a fully masculine looking and coding person wandering into a women’s room not making any attempt to pass IS still a red flag worthy of heightened caution… But if you are in a place where trans men are forced to use a women’s room then more than likely that’s a person following the law and in following that law is risking getting the security or police called in because they had to pee and then spending the next hour being treated like a sex offender while they have their documents checked all because they weren’t permitted to make the bathroom choice of social least resistance for themselves.
Just a reminder: this shit is being peddled by the same people who call upon cis men to enter women’s bathroom to “protect them from predators”.
A predator doesn’t need to identify as anything to walk into a bathroom. They just need to open the door and walk in.
AND WHY ARE WE STILL TALKING ABOUT THIS? WHAT’S NEXT? MORE LITTER BOX DRAMA?
There have been gender neutral bathrooms in multiple US states for years now. Find me one single example of what you’re describing occurring. This fear you have is founded in nothing but ignorance, xenophobia, and stupidity. It’s literally the point of this post. You’re no different than the white women in the 50s worrying about black people getting access to their bathrooms and victimizing them somehow.
The vast majority of pooping and being is done in gender neutral bathrooms. I’ve never been in a house that had gendered bathrooms.
What about transmen that look like big truckers? Following the new rules of Congress they would have to use the women’s restrooms and they look like you described.
Once again, a whole ass group of people are being punished for what straight cisgendered men might do.
No one ever gave a shit about men raping women in bathrooms before it became a “Trans” issue.
You want to stop bathroom rapes? Start talking to your male friends about the way they objectify women. Start standing up against “locker room” talk. Call out other men for acting in sexist and predatory ways.
But you won’t, because you are a coward. It’s just so much easier to talk down to Trans people and make up silly arguments than to stand up against your own people.
Im being a huge guy - can go to the women bathroom if I say I believe I’m a woman
I have news for you, you can just walk into a women’s bathroom now if you feel like it.
You never accidentally went into a women’s restroom while you were drunk or just had to pee so bad you were worried you’d piss your pants? I have, nobody was in there so I didn’t notice until afterwards when I saw no urinals.
This is such a non issue. Also let’s take your example and flip it - say you’re a trans dude, now you’re a man going into the women’s restroom because of this bullshit. Like a fully bearded jacked guy being forced to use the women’s restroom, that’s what this is doing.
I didn’t down vote you and respect the honest reply.
I am from Europe and here, I am not even aware of any toilet “laws”, except: If they offer seats and Tables, they have to provide a toilet.
You can find all the toilet “configurations” within the limits of one city. Simply because the Disabled/Pregnant Bathrooms are now “Diverse/Neutral” too. And small restaurants usually only have one toilet. Some clubs have gender neutral bathrooms which basically eradicated the lines for the women (inside it’s very respectful, I mean guys like you/me are there too, some with girlfriend… a perv/voyeur would not have a good time there).
From my perspective it’s a complete non issue, which feels like a waste of thought when compared to my daily challenges.
Edit: Lots of typos…
Have you seen any bathrooms being guarded by armed security? What makes you think the kind of person who would do something like that for nefarious purposes would just suddenly decide its too risky because some suits said it was a big nono.
It’s literally the same energy as “if we made rape illegal nobody would rape anymore!” Except worse because it actively harms innocent people
if I owned the establishment
removes sign entirely
BATHROOM
“There, y’all figure it out.”
Canadian here, don’t people just call it a washroom?
“This sign is bullshit. There’s no baths in that room! Just a bunch of sinks and toilets!”
Back home we do actually use a “toilet” label for bathrooms with only toilets. Needless to say, my first visit to America made quite a few laughs when I asked where the toilets are so I can wash me hands.
In US introductory psychology courses, one common assignment is to deliberately violate some unwritten social norm. Something that is never stated anywhere, but we all just customarily follow. My favorite example is, while visiting a friend’s house, ask if you can use their bathroom. When they say yes, go to their bathroom and take a bath.
Absolutely fucking beautiful!
Reminds me of a comedian who said he likes the European way and started asking “where is the toilet?” in the US. People stared at him saying “In the bathroom”.
I like how we sometimes call them “restrooms.” I don’t know what y’all are doing in there, but I certainly ain’t resting. I’m usually fighting for my life if I actually am using a public toilet instead of waiting to get home.
You don’t enjoy relaxing by reading the shampoo bottle?
I’m the opposite, I shit loudly to assert my dominance over everyone else in the bathroom.
The sinks are a bath if ya try hard enough.
If trans-men wouldn’t endanger themselves by doing this, I would encourage them to chill in women toilets.
But they shouldn’t put themselves in harm’s way just to prove a point.
We should just treat them right and protect them from this nonsense.
We should be prepared for a fight on that front. The current uproar is about trans women. Put a trans man in power (anywhere) and the shit is really going to hit the fan. The rhetoric will shift from pseudo-sexualized bathroom nonsense to “how dare you disrupt our patriarchy.”
Transphobia both currently and for basically the last 50 years at least has always been framed and rooted in the idea of protecting women from predatory “men”. Trans men have been a footnote, at most and I doubt one becoming prominent will have the impact you expect.
Last night I was thinking about the Sarah McBride situation and it got me thinking.
“I wonder if the first black person in congress was told he had to use the Colored Room?”
She just needs to pee!
Have you watched Hidden Figures? There’s a point in the movie where having different “colored” restrooms (at NASA in the 1960s) comes into play and… well, the resolution is pretty satisfying.
Republicans will use anything to generate outrage and distract from the constant war they wage on the working class
The biggest winners of this US elections are the corporations
Regardless of party! Because we’re such a great country full of decadence that we have not one but two pro capitalist pro imperialism pro forever war parties!
“The United States is also a one-party state but, with typical American extravagance, they have two of them.”
Yeah that was the quote I was trying to go for but couldn’t quite remember
we’ll see. Media companies, gas companies and private prisons for sure win here, other corporations may suffer if they enact most of these policies:
Invading cities with the US military will destroy real estate markets. My guess is this is a bluff.
Rounding up immigrants (lets not pretend they’ll be checking documents) will destroy agricultural corps and one of the US’ largest exports
Tariffs will drastically damage consumer spending and costs for electronics (which will indirectly hike data center costs).
Tax cuts will radically increase inflation again.
I know it’s not a very hip position right now but I think the incoming administration will turn out to be mostly hype. They’ll get bogged down trying to get the blue states to comply with some insane piece of legislation on something with no federal jurisdiction, and blame their failure to do anything on that.
I mean they have the presidency, the house, the Senate, and the supreme court, gonna be difficult to lay the blame.
They had the same situation the first two years of Trump’s first presidency. The blame did no good.
Mostly what saved us before was the incompetence, and that’s already rearing its head again. Stupid thing to rely upon, though.
Fair point
I’m sorry, but that sounds like copium to me. Why would this fascist authoritarian regime be less successful than all of the other big fascist authoritarian regimes in history? They don’t care about the law.
They already had to drop Gaetz as a nominee. Likely because too many R senators said nah.
While I’m not going to say this will happen with all the other crazy proposals. If some Copium helps us get through the next 2 years minimum, and we can stay in the fight, maybe we can hold on to this place.
Even fentanyl works on pain for a while, let’s just hope the country isn’t in hospice yet.
I’m thinking similarly and that the Democrats will use the Senate filibuster to block as many things as they can. Of course, conservatives may end up changing the filibuster and ram through all their terrible policies, then they’d only have until the midterms to pass all the crazy stuff they want to pass. Unless they figure out an illegitimate way to stay in power and go full fascist authoritarian on us. No matter what, the next few years are gonna be terrible.
Until we figure out humanoid robots all people are biological and trans women are women, so…
I’d love for a bearded trans man to walk in there, look her dead in the eye and tell her not to worry, he has a vagina.
The law binds but does not protect us.
This is messed up. Do they not want trans people to use any bathrooms?
They literally want trans genocide.
This is messed up. Do they not want trans people
No, no they do not.
They’d really just prefer it if we didn’t exist
Hot take I know, but that’s a bit fucked
Correct, the goal is to eliminate trans people from public life.
These people are obsessed with people’s genitals. Just go to the fucking bathroom. Must you go out of your way to make even taking a shit in public more uncomfortable than it needs to be?
Shut the fuck up and do your fucking job.
I don’t care who is with me in the bathroom. I’m not there to make friends. I wouldn’t care if either Nancy Mace or Donald Trump was in the stall next to me.
Just don’t talk to me unless it’s an emergency, that’s all I ask.
I would care. Trump stinks like shit and even though I’m in a bathroom, I only want to smell my own.
Insist on big dick and small dick bathrooms for guys. Really lean into it.
What if they’re a grower not a shower? How do we sort this out we talking flaccid or erect? Can half these congress critters even get an erection without chemical help?
Breaking News: House Republicans introduce bill to install Viagra dispensers in Capitol and House office building bathrooms
I’m still trying to figure out what these people [Republicans] are doing in the bathroom. I probably don’t want to know. All can say is, when I’m trying to pee in a public restroom, I don’t really give a shit who’s in the stall next to me. I don’t care what their gender is. I don’t care what their birth gender was. I’m just trying to do my business and get on with my day.
We know what Senator Larry Craig was doing in a stall with his wide stance.
But if they don’t wish me good luck, I don’t want to be taking a crap next to them. Sometimes you need that emotional support on the crapper, you know?
Many public restrooms in Iceland are unisex. These apes wouldn’t last one road trip.
